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Summary
This document is a court transcript from February 15, 2012, detailing the direct examination of a witness named Conrad. The questioning focuses on Conrad's defiance of a previous court order from Judge Pauley to testify, her background as a suspended lawyer, and her mental health. Conrad is evasive, repeatedly stating she is not a psychologist, and provides minimal answers, including claiming she only takes "Water" as medication.
People (6)
| Name | Role | Context |
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| Conrad | Witness |
The individual being questioned under direct examination. Referred to as 'Ma'am' on page 120.
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| MR. OKULA | Lawyer |
A lawyer who makes objections during the testimony.
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| THE COURT | Judge |
The presiding judge in the hearing, who sustains and overrules objections and directs the witness to answer.
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| Judge Pauley | Judge |
A judge mentioned as having previously ordered the witness, Conrad, to appear at a hearing.
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| Clinton |
Mentioned in the context of a potential "Clinton appointment" for Judge Pauley.
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| PAUL M. DAUGERDAS | Defendant |
Named in the case title, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL.
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Organizations (3)
| Name | Type | Context |
|---|---|---|
| UNITED STATES OF AMERICA | Government |
The plaintiff in the case against Paul M. Daugerdas.
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| U.S. marshals | Government agency |
Mentioned as having served a subpoena on the witness.
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| SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS | Company |
The court reporting service that transcribed the proceedings.
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Timeline (3 events)
2011-12-20
Locations (1)
| Location | Context |
|---|---|
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The location where the testimony is taking place.
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Relationships (3)
Judge Pauley ordered Conrad to appear as a witness at a hearing. Conrad expressed defiance towards this order.
Conrad is a witness being questioned in a hearing presided over by THE COURT. The Court directs Conrad to answer a question she initially refuses to.
Key Quotes (6)
"it's not going to happen"Source
— Conrad
(A statement the witness allegedly made regarding Judge Pauley receiving another appointment.)
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Quote #1
"No, I don't. No, no, no"Source
— Conrad
(The witness's quoted initial response to being told she had to appear at a hearing.)
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Quote #2
"For what? I'm no, I'm not. I'm not going to court for testifying for anything, sir."Source
— Conrad
(The witness's quoted response when Judge Pauley gave instructions about retaining a lawyer.)
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Quote #3
"I'm not going to"Source
— Conrad
(Quoted as a response a person might give to a judge's order to appear and testify.)
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Quote #4
"I'm not showing up"Source
— Conrad
(Quoted as a response the witness gave to a federal judge's order to appear.)
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Quote #5
"Water."Source
— Conrad
(The witness's one-word answer to the question, "What medications do you take?")
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Quote #6
Full Extracted Text
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Case 1:20-cr-00380-PAEumDocument 616 Filed 02/24/12 Page 24 of 67
A-5639
A-5639
February 15, 2012
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v
PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL.,
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v
PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL.,
Page 117 C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct
1 was crazy talk?
2 MR. OKULA: Objection.
3 A. No, I'm not a psychologist.
4 THE COURT: Sustained.
5 Q. Can you explain the connection, if any, between what you
6 said about Judge Pauley receiving another Clinton appointment
7 and the matters that were going to be discussed?
8 A. No.
9 Q. And did you have any special insight when you said "it's
10 not going to happen" that Judge Pauley would not receive
11 another appointment?
12 A. No.
13 Q. Now, when you came to the hearing on December 20th, did you
14 understand that you had been compelled to come to that hearing
15 by having an order served on you at your home?
16 A. Yes, I had a subpoena served upon me.
17 Q. By two deputy U.S. marshals, correct?
18 A. I believe so, yes.
19 Q. And you understood that you had to obey that order,
20 correct?
21 A. Yes, sir.
22 Q. And you understood that you couldn't leave, correct, till
23 Judge Pauley told you you could leave?
24 A. I don't really know what that means.
25 Q. Well, do you remember telling the deputy clerk at that time
1 was crazy talk?
2 MR. OKULA: Objection.
3 A. No, I'm not a psychologist.
4 THE COURT: Sustained.
5 Q. Can you explain the connection, if any, between what you
6 said about Judge Pauley receiving another Clinton appointment
7 and the matters that were going to be discussed?
8 A. No.
9 Q. And did you have any special insight when you said "it's
10 not going to happen" that Judge Pauley would not receive
11 another appointment?
12 A. No.
13 Q. Now, when you came to the hearing on December 20th, did you
14 understand that you had been compelled to come to that hearing
15 by having an order served on you at your home?
16 A. Yes, I had a subpoena served upon me.
17 Q. By two deputy U.S. marshals, correct?
18 A. I believe so, yes.
19 Q. And you understood that you had to obey that order,
20 correct?
21 A. Yes, sir.
22 Q. And you understood that you couldn't leave, correct, till
23 Judge Pauley told you you could leave?
24 A. I don't really know what that means.
25 Q. Well, do you remember telling the deputy clerk at that time
Page 118 C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct
1 that your time was being wasted and you were going to walk out
2 of the courtroom?
3 A. No, I don't.
4 Q. Did you do that?
5 A. If I told you I don't remember, how can you ask me the next
6 question?
7 Q. Did Judge Pauley explain to you at that hearing you're
8 ordered to appear as a witness at a hearing on February 15th
9 concerning your role as a juror in United States v. Daugerdas?
10 A. I don't specifically recall him.
11 Q. Do you recall something like that?
12 A. Yes, sir.
13 Q. And do you recall that your response, or do you recall that
14 later in that hearing he told you again you're going to have to
15 testify at a hearing. Do you recall that?
16 A. Not specifically, no, sir.
17 Q. Do you recall that your initial response to being told that
18 you had to appear at a hearing is to say, "No, I don't. No,
19 no, no"?
20 A. If you're reading from the transcript, then that's what I
21 said, sir.
22 Q. And do you recall that when the Judge gave you instructions
23 about retaining a lawyer you said, and I quote, "For what? I'm
24 no, I'm not. I'm not going to court for testifying for
25 anything, sir." Do you remember saying that?
1 that your time was being wasted and you were going to walk out
2 of the courtroom?
3 A. No, I don't.
4 Q. Did you do that?
5 A. If I told you I don't remember, how can you ask me the next
6 question?
7 Q. Did Judge Pauley explain to you at that hearing you're
8 ordered to appear as a witness at a hearing on February 15th
9 concerning your role as a juror in United States v. Daugerdas?
10 A. I don't specifically recall him.
11 Q. Do you recall something like that?
12 A. Yes, sir.
13 Q. And do you recall that your response, or do you recall that
14 later in that hearing he told you again you're going to have to
15 testify at a hearing. Do you recall that?
16 A. Not specifically, no, sir.
17 Q. Do you recall that your initial response to being told that
18 you had to appear at a hearing is to say, "No, I don't. No,
19 no, no"?
20 A. If you're reading from the transcript, then that's what I
21 said, sir.
22 Q. And do you recall that when the Judge gave you instructions
23 about retaining a lawyer you said, and I quote, "For what? I'm
24 no, I'm not. I'm not going to court for testifying for
25 anything, sir." Do you remember saying that?
Page 119 C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct
1 A. I can't dispute if you're reading from the transcript, sir.
2 So --
3 Q. I'm asking if you remember saying it.
4 A. If you're reading from the transcript then I said it. It
5 doesn't matter, I guess, if I remember it or not. But I recall
6 that.
7 Q. You do recall?
8 A. Vaguely.
9 Q. Now, would you agree with me in your career as a lawyer
10 that it is an uncommon response for a person ordered by a judge
11 to appear in court to testify to say no, I'm not going to do
12 that?
13 MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor.
14 THE COURT: Overruled.
15 A. Could you please repeat the question?
16 Q. Based on your experience as a lawyer, would you agree with
17 me that your conduct in responding to the judge's instructions
18 by saying you were not going to appear was unusual?
19 A. I'm not a psychologist. I don't know. I don't know how to
20 answer you, sir.
21 Q. Well, you are a lawyer, correct?
22 A. No. I was.
23 Q. Have you been disbarred?
24 A. No.
25 Q. So you're a suspended lawyer?
1 A. I can't dispute if you're reading from the transcript, sir.
2 So --
3 Q. I'm asking if you remember saying it.
4 A. If you're reading from the transcript then I said it. It
5 doesn't matter, I guess, if I remember it or not. But I recall
6 that.
7 Q. You do recall?
8 A. Vaguely.
9 Q. Now, would you agree with me in your career as a lawyer
10 that it is an uncommon response for a person ordered by a judge
11 to appear in court to testify to say no, I'm not going to do
12 that?
13 MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor.
14 THE COURT: Overruled.
15 A. Could you please repeat the question?
16 Q. Based on your experience as a lawyer, would you agree with
17 me that your conduct in responding to the judge's instructions
18 by saying you were not going to appear was unusual?
19 A. I'm not a psychologist. I don't know. I don't know how to
20 answer you, sir.
21 Q. Well, you are a lawyer, correct?
22 A. No. I was.
23 Q. Have you been disbarred?
24 A. No.
25 Q. So you're a suspended lawyer?
Page 120 C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct
1 A. Correct.
2 Q. You had legal training?
3 A. Yes. I went to law school.
4 Q. How many times have you ever heard a person ordered by a
5 judge to appear and testify say "I'm not going to"?
6 A. I have no idea.
7 Q. It might happen all the time?
8 A. I don't know how to answer your question, sir.
9 Q. Would you agree that that is not -- to tell a federal
10 judge, and I quote, "I'm not showing up" when you've been
11 ordered to show up is conduct that is not rational?
12 A. I am not a psychologist. I am not part of the disciplinary
13 committee, so I don't know how to answer your question, sir.
14 Q. Do you know what the word "rational" means?
15 A. I'm not a psychologist. There are variations that are
16 shades of gray.
17 Q. Have you ever been treated for a mental illness?
18 A. I'm not going to answer this.
19 THE COURT: You are directed to answer it.
20 A. No.
21 Q. Ma'am, has anybody ever told you that you suffer from
22 bipolar disorder?
23 A. Not at all.
24 Q. What medications do you take?
25 A. Water.
1 A. Correct.
2 Q. You had legal training?
3 A. Yes. I went to law school.
4 Q. How many times have you ever heard a person ordered by a
5 judge to appear and testify say "I'm not going to"?
6 A. I have no idea.
7 Q. It might happen all the time?
8 A. I don't know how to answer your question, sir.
9 Q. Would you agree that that is not -- to tell a federal
10 judge, and I quote, "I'm not showing up" when you've been
11 ordered to show up is conduct that is not rational?
12 A. I am not a psychologist. I am not part of the disciplinary
13 committee, so I don't know how to answer your question, sir.
14 Q. Do you know what the word "rational" means?
15 A. I'm not a psychologist. There are variations that are
16 shades of gray.
17 Q. Have you ever been treated for a mental illness?
18 A. I'm not going to answer this.
19 THE COURT: You are directed to answer it.
20 A. No.
21 Q. Ma'am, has anybody ever told you that you suffer from
22 bipolar disorder?
23 A. Not at all.
24 Q. What medications do you take?
25 A. Water.
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