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This document is a partial transcript of an interview or deposition involving Ghislaine Maxwell and Todd Blanche. It primarily focuses on Ghislaine Maxwell's knowledge of Jeffrey Epstein's business relationships and dealings with individuals such as Les Wexner, Leon Black, Steven Hoffenberg, and Elizabeth Johnson, particularly concerning a property transaction and the nature of Epstein's services. Maxwell frequently states her lack of firsthand knowledge, often citing information from the press or speculation.
People (8)
| Name | Role | Context |
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| GHISLAINE MAXWELL | Deponent/Witness |
Answering questions about various individuals and business dealings related to Jeffrey Epstein.
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| TODD BLANCHE | Interviewer/Questioner |
Asking questions during the deposition/interview.
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| Mr. Epstein | Subject of inquiry |
Jeffrey Epstein, whose business dealings and relationships are being discussed.
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| Mr. Wexner | Individual |
Discussed in relation to a property gift and a 'falling out' with Epstein.
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| Les | Individual |
Likely referring to Les Wexner, mentioned in relation to owing Epstein money or services, and a 'falling out'.
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| Leon Black | Individual |
Discussed as a friend of Ghislaine Maxwell's friends, and in relation to Epstein doing work for him.
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| Steven Hoffenberg | Individual |
Mentioned as someone Ghislaine Maxwell only knows about from the press, in relation to Epstein's business relationships.
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| Elizabeth Johnson | Client/Individual |
Mentioned as a client of Epstein, associated with Johnson & Johnson.
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Organizations (2)
| Name | Type | Context |
|---|---|---|
| Johnson & Johnson |
Mentioned in relation to Elizabeth Johnson, a client of Mr. Epstein.
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| MAGNA LEGAL SERVICES |
Service provider for the legal document, likely court reporting or transcription.
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Timeline (4 events)
1990s
Discussion about the start of the relationship between Elizabeth Johnson and Mr. Epstein, estimated to be in the '90s, specifically '95, '96.
Discussion about Mr. Wexner gifting a property on 71st Street in New York to Mr. Epstein.
New York, 71st Street
Discussion about a 'falling out' between Mr. Wexner and Mr. Epstein.
Discussion about Mr. Epstein's work for Leon Black.
Locations (2)
| Location | Context |
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Location of a property on 71st Street that Mr. Wexner allegedly gifted to Mr. Epstein.
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Specific street in New York where a property in question is located.
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Relationships (5)
Discussion of a property gift, theoretical debt, and a 'falling out'.
Epstein doing 'work' for Black, similar to what he did for Wexner.
Maxwell states she 'could have met Leon' through 'friends of mine' socially, but not through her that Leon and Epstein became friends.
Maxwell only knows about this relationship from the press and never spoke about it with Epstein.
Elizabeth Johnson is identified as a client, and Epstein ended up 'managing her'.
Key Quotes (3)
"GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So we're talking about 71st Street. So I don't know what the business deal was, because, again, I'm not part of his business thing, but I think what happened would be that, let's say Les owed him in, theoretically, for his services, $100 million or whatever it was. He could have traded that against the property."Source
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"GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Same as what he did for Wexner."Source
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"GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know how he became that friendly where he ended up managing her"Source
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Page 62
1 heard him talk to people like that. I couldn't --
2 sorry.
3 TODD BLANCHE: No - no. Go ahead.
4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No.
5 TODD BLANCHE: Did -- was there -- did --
6 did he give -- did Mr. Wexner gift a property in
7 New York to Mr. Epstein?
8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So we're talking about
9 71st Street. So I don't know what the business deal
10 was, because, again, I'm not part of his business
11 thing, but I think what happened would be that, let's
12 say Les owed him in, theoretically, for his services,
13 $100 million or whatever it was. He could have
14 traded that against the property.
15 TODD BLANCHE: But do you know that that
16 happened or that's -- are you -- are you kind of --
17 do you remember whether there was conversations about
18 that or are you just thinking that could be one way
19 that it happened?
20 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm not sure. And I'm
21 not trying to be -- I just don't remember if that's
22 something I know or if that's something that I
23 remember, or if it's something that I subsequently
24 know. I believe -- I believe that to be what
25 happened, but I don't want to tell you that I have --
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1 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah.
2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Does that make sense?
3 TODD BLANCHE: Did Mr. Wexner and
4 Mr. Epstein -- are you aware of they -- of their
5 falling out that they ultimately had?
6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think -- I wasn't
7 there and I don't know how it happened. I only know
8 what Les has said in the press.
9 TODD BLANCHE: So you only know about
10 their, you know, their falling out or whatever you
11 want to call it, from what you've kind of read, not
12 from any firsthand knowledge? You did -- you weren't
13 there, you weren't part of that?
14 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Correct.
15 TODD BLANCHE: Do you know somebody named
16 Steven Hoffenberg?
17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Only from the press.
18 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. And so you don't
19 know anything about whatever business relationship
20 they may have had, Mr. Epstein --
21 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Never spoke about him,
22 never mentioned it. I -- I only learned about that,
23 whatever that is, even -- I don't even know what the
24 truth is of that story, from the press.
25 TODD BLANCHE: How about Leon Black?
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1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, I did meet Leon.
2 I do know Leon.
3 TODD BLANCHE: When do you remember -- and
4 again, I know we're talking about a very long time
5 ago, but do you remember approximately when you met
6 him?
7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I could have met Leon,
8 not really -- so I might have met him, nothing to do,
9 because Leon Black is very good friends with other
10 friends of mine. I would've met him, when I say
11 socially, I might have met him. How Leon and Epstein
12 became really good friends, I don't -- I'm not sure.
13 TODD BLANCHE: But not through you, as far
14 as you recall?
15 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. Not through me as
16 far as I know. No. I-- in fact, I'm -- I'm sure
17 that's not through me.
18 TODD BLANCHE: Do you know what kind of
19 work Mr. Epstein was doing for Mr. Black over the
20 years?
21 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Same as what he did
22 for Wexner.
23 TODD BLANCHE: So we just talked about two
24 individuals. And again, I know we're talking about
25 a, maybe a 15-year time period or even longer.
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1 How many clients like that did Mr. Epstein
2 have?
3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: But why don't I just
4 give you the names that I remember and that's --
5 TODD BLANCHE: Say it again.
6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Why won't I just give
7 you the names.
8 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah.
9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Do you want the names?
10 TODD BLANCHE: Sure. Go ahead.
11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Elizabeth Johnson --
12 Johnson & Johnson.
13 TODD BLANCHE: When did -- as far as you
14 know, when did the relationship between Ms. Johnson
15 and Mr. Epstein start?
16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: '90s. '90 -- I
17 don't -- I -- '95, '96. '90s.
18 TODD BLANCHE: So during the time period?
19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. We're talking
20 '90s. We're talking when I was there. When I was
21 around.
22 TODD BLANCHE: And how did the
23 relationship start?
24 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know how he
25 became that friendly where he ended up managing her
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1 heard him talk to people like that. I couldn't --
2 sorry.
3 TODD BLANCHE: No - no. Go ahead.
4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No.
5 TODD BLANCHE: Did -- was there -- did --
6 did he give -- did Mr. Wexner gift a property in
7 New York to Mr. Epstein?
8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So we're talking about
9 71st Street. So I don't know what the business deal
10 was, because, again, I'm not part of his business
11 thing, but I think what happened would be that, let's
12 say Les owed him in, theoretically, for his services,
13 $100 million or whatever it was. He could have
14 traded that against the property.
15 TODD BLANCHE: But do you know that that
16 happened or that's -- are you -- are you kind of --
17 do you remember whether there was conversations about
18 that or are you just thinking that could be one way
19 that it happened?
20 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm not sure. And I'm
21 not trying to be -- I just don't remember if that's
22 something I know or if that's something that I
23 remember, or if it's something that I subsequently
24 know. I believe -- I believe that to be what
25 happened, but I don't want to tell you that I have --
Page 63
1 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah.
2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Does that make sense?
3 TODD BLANCHE: Did Mr. Wexner and
4 Mr. Epstein -- are you aware of they -- of their
5 falling out that they ultimately had?
6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think -- I wasn't
7 there and I don't know how it happened. I only know
8 what Les has said in the press.
9 TODD BLANCHE: So you only know about
10 their, you know, their falling out or whatever you
11 want to call it, from what you've kind of read, not
12 from any firsthand knowledge? You did -- you weren't
13 there, you weren't part of that?
14 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Correct.
15 TODD BLANCHE: Do you know somebody named
16 Steven Hoffenberg?
17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Only from the press.
18 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. And so you don't
19 know anything about whatever business relationship
20 they may have had, Mr. Epstein --
21 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Never spoke about him,
22 never mentioned it. I -- I only learned about that,
23 whatever that is, even -- I don't even know what the
24 truth is of that story, from the press.
25 TODD BLANCHE: How about Leon Black?
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1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, I did meet Leon.
2 I do know Leon.
3 TODD BLANCHE: When do you remember -- and
4 again, I know we're talking about a very long time
5 ago, but do you remember approximately when you met
6 him?
7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I could have met Leon,
8 not really -- so I might have met him, nothing to do,
9 because Leon Black is very good friends with other
10 friends of mine. I would've met him, when I say
11 socially, I might have met him. How Leon and Epstein
12 became really good friends, I don't -- I'm not sure.
13 TODD BLANCHE: But not through you, as far
14 as you recall?
15 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. Not through me as
16 far as I know. No. I-- in fact, I'm -- I'm sure
17 that's not through me.
18 TODD BLANCHE: Do you know what kind of
19 work Mr. Epstein was doing for Mr. Black over the
20 years?
21 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Same as what he did
22 for Wexner.
23 TODD BLANCHE: So we just talked about two
24 individuals. And again, I know we're talking about
25 a, maybe a 15-year time period or even longer.
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1 How many clients like that did Mr. Epstein
2 have?
3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: But why don't I just
4 give you the names that I remember and that's --
5 TODD BLANCHE: Say it again.
6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Why won't I just give
7 you the names.
8 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah.
9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Do you want the names?
10 TODD BLANCHE: Sure. Go ahead.
11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Elizabeth Johnson --
12 Johnson & Johnson.
13 TODD BLANCHE: When did -- as far as you
14 know, when did the relationship between Ms. Johnson
15 and Mr. Epstein start?
16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: '90s. '90 -- I
17 don't -- I -- '95, '96. '90s.
18 TODD BLANCHE: So during the time period?
19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes. We're talking
20 '90s. We're talking when I was there. When I was
21 around.
22 TODD BLANCHE: And how did the
23 relationship start?
24 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know how he
25 became that friendly where he ended up managing her
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