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This document is a transcript of testimony or a deposition involving Ghislaine Maxwell, Todd Blanche, and David Markus, discussing Jeffrey Epstein's alleged habits, relationships, and associates. Maxwell describes her observations of Epstein with masseuses and discusses whether their interactions were consensual, while also addressing a list of individuals, including politicians and businessmen, who were potentially connected to Epstein in the 1990s and early 2000s, denying some connections and confirming others.
People (18)
| Name | Role | Context |
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| GHISLAINE MAXWELL | Deponent/Witness |
Answering questions related to Jeffrey Epstein's activities and associates.
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| TODD BLANCHE | Interviewer/Counsel |
Asking questions to Ghislaine Maxwell.
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| DAVID MARKUS | Interviewer/Counsel |
Asking questions to Ghislaine Maxwell.
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| Jeffrey Epstein | Subject of discussion |
Discussed in relation to his habits, relationships, and associates.
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| President Clinton | Mentioned individual |
Mentioned by Todd Blanche as someone Ghislaine Maxwell previously mentioned as a client of Epstein's; Maxwell denies ...
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| President Trump | Mentioned individual |
Mentioned by Todd Blanche in the context of Epstein's associates.
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| McMillen | Mentioned individual / Congressman |
Mentioned by Ghislaine Maxwell as an associate of Epstein's.
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| Henry Rosovsky | Mentioned individual |
Described as the provost of Harvard, associated with Epstein.
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| Joe Pagano | Mentioned individual |
Named as an individual in Epstein's life.
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| Jerry Goldsmith | Mentioned individual |
Named as an individual in Epstein's life.
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| Joe Roberts | Mentioned individual |
Named as an individual in Epstein's life.
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| Kenny Lipper | Mentioned individual |
Named as an individual in Epstein's life.
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| Dan Abramson | Mentioned individual |
Named as an individual in Epstein's life.
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| Tom Pritzker | Mentioned individual |
Questioned if he was associated with Epstein in the '90s.
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| Ace | Mentioned individual |
Named as an individual in Epstein's life.
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| Jimmy Cayne | Mentioned individual |
Named as an individual in Epstein's life.
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| Lou Ranieri | Mentioned individual |
Named as an individual in Epstein's life.
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| Prince Andrew | Mentioned individual |
Questioned if he was known by Maxwell in the '90s, Maxwell denies.
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Organizations (2)
| Name | Type | Context |
|---|---|---|
| Harvard |
Henry Rosovsky was provost of Harvard.
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| MAGNA LEGAL SERVICES |
Legal services provider for the transcript.
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Timeline (4 events)
1990s
Discussion about individuals associated with Jeffrey Epstein in the early 1990s.
2002
Discussion about Jeffrey Epstein's relations with masseuses starting in 2002.
Discussion about Jeffrey Epstein's alleged habits, including masturbation and 'massage game'.
Discussion about the 'blackmail issue' related to Epstein's clients.
Relationships (15)
Maxwell observed Epstein with masseuses and discussed his habits.
Todd Blanche states Maxwell mentioned Clinton as a client; Maxwell denies.
Mentioned by Todd Blanche as an individual in Epstein's life.
Mentioned by Maxwell as an associate.
Maxwell states Rosovsky was associated with Epstein.
Mentioned by Maxwell as an individual in Epstein's life.
Mentioned by Maxwell as an individual in Epstein's life.
Mentioned by Maxwell as an individual in Epstein's life.
Mentioned by Maxwell as an individual in Epstein's life.
Mentioned by Maxwell as an individual in Epstein's life.
Questioned by Blanche if he was associated in the '90s.
Mentioned by Maxwell as an individual in Epstein's life.
Mentioned by Maxwell as an individual in Epstein's life.
Mentioned by Maxwell as an individual in Epstein's life.
Questioned by Blanche about Prince Andrew; Maxwell denies knowing him in the '90s.
Key Quotes (6)
"GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm not -- distinguishing adults or -- or -- or young or underage women for that. I'm saying abuse."Source
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"GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That means that I'm sure that he didn't suddenly start having relations with masseuses in 2002."Source
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"GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I -- I saw him with lots of masseuses. I never saw a single masseuse ever look unhappy or not come back or whatever. So based on my observation, I don't think that if you are being raped, as now he's like this prolific -- I just -- I just can't imagine why you would return."Source
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"TODD BLANCHE: But you're saying, as far as you -- I -- I used the word abuse. You're saying that as far as you sit here today, you would describe that more as consensual? Meaning the masseuse did those -- did this willingly?"Source
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"GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, I never said he was a client."Source
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"GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Didn't know him in the '90s."Source
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Page 98
1 they don't take off their clothes. Basically
2 suggested they had to watch him masturbate. Like the
3 things that have been publicly said about what he
4 did.
5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm not --
6 TODD BLANCHE: For now I'm not -- I'm not
7 distinguishing adults or -- or -- or young or
8 underage women for that. I'm saying abuse.
9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm -- I'm going to
10 think that that would've been a habit.
11 TODD BLANCHE: Okay.
12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm going to say that
13 the massage game was a habit. And I think --
14 DAVID MARKUS: What does that mean?
15 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That means that I'm
16 sure that he didn't suddenly start having relations
17 with masseuses in 2002.
18 DAVID MARKUS: Okay.
19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I am sure he must have
20 had relations with masseuses, who knows when.
21 TODD BLANCHE: But you're saying, as far
22 as you -- I -- I used the word abuse. You're saying
23 that as far as you sit here today, you would describe
24 that more as consensual? Meaning the masseuse did
25 those -- did this willingly?
1 they don't take off their clothes. Basically
2 suggested they had to watch him masturbate. Like the
3 things that have been publicly said about what he
4 did.
5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm not --
6 TODD BLANCHE: For now I'm not -- I'm not
7 distinguishing adults or -- or -- or young or
8 underage women for that. I'm saying abuse.
9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm -- I'm going to
10 think that that would've been a habit.
11 TODD BLANCHE: Okay.
12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm going to say that
13 the massage game was a habit. And I think --
14 DAVID MARKUS: What does that mean?
15 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That means that I'm
16 sure that he didn't suddenly start having relations
17 with masseuses in 2002.
18 DAVID MARKUS: Okay.
19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I am sure he must have
20 had relations with masseuses, who knows when.
21 TODD BLANCHE: But you're saying, as far
22 as you -- I -- I used the word abuse. You're saying
23 that as far as you sit here today, you would describe
24 that more as consensual? Meaning the masseuse did
25 those -- did this willingly?
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1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I -- I saw him with
2 lots of masseuses. I never saw a single masseuse
3 ever look unhappy or not come back or whatever. So
4 based on my observation, I don't think that if you
5 are being raped, as now he's like this prolific -- I
6 just -- I just can't imagine why you would return.
7 TODD BLANCHE: That's not what you
8 observed at the time?
9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Not what I observed at
10 the time, no.
11 TODD BLANCHE: I want to -- we're -- we're
12 going to spend a little -- we're going to spend more
13 time on this issue, because I -- I think it's
14 important. But just going back to kind of the -- the
15 question that I started with in this area, which is
16 that it ties into the blackmail issue.
17 So we talked about people that were his
18 clients, and you've mentioned President Clinton, and
19 then early on --
20 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, I never said he
21 was a client.
22 TODD BLANCHE: I -- I did not say you
23 said. I'm saying when you talk about his clients.
24 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, okay. Right.
25 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. And puts his clients
1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I -- I saw him with
2 lots of masseuses. I never saw a single masseuse
3 ever look unhappy or not come back or whatever. So
4 based on my observation, I don't think that if you
5 are being raped, as now he's like this prolific -- I
6 just -- I just can't imagine why you would return.
7 TODD BLANCHE: That's not what you
8 observed at the time?
9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Not what I observed at
10 the time, no.
11 TODD BLANCHE: I want to -- we're -- we're
12 going to spend a little -- we're going to spend more
13 time on this issue, because I -- I think it's
14 important. But just going back to kind of the -- the
15 question that I started with in this area, which is
16 that it ties into the blackmail issue.
17 So we talked about people that were his
18 clients, and you've mentioned President Clinton, and
19 then early on --
20 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, I never said he
21 was a client.
22 TODD BLANCHE: I -- I did not say you
23 said. I'm saying when you talk about his clients.
24 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, okay. Right.
25 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. And puts his clients
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1 off the side.
2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay.
3 TODD BLANCHE: And then you mentioned some
4 other people. You mentioned President Clinton --
5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes.
6 TODD BLANCHE: -- you mentioned President
7 Trump early on.
8 Who were other famous/politicians, who
9 were other individuals in Mr. Epstein's life during
10 that time period? So the early '90s --
11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: It was the '90s.
12 Let's -- should we just --
13 TODD BLANCHE: Yes.
14 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. Congressman
15 McMillen.
16 TODD BLANCHE: Say it again.
17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: McMillen.
18 TODD BLANCHE: Okay.
19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Henry Rosovsky, who
20 was the provost of Harvard. Hang on (Indiscernible).
21 TODD BLANCHE: Sure. You're looking at
22 your -- your -- your notes.
23 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes.
24 TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead. Go ahead.
25 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Joe Pagano, Jerry
1 off the side.
2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay.
3 TODD BLANCHE: And then you mentioned some
4 other people. You mentioned President Clinton --
5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes.
6 TODD BLANCHE: -- you mentioned President
7 Trump early on.
8 Who were other famous/politicians, who
9 were other individuals in Mr. Epstein's life during
10 that time period? So the early '90s --
11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: It was the '90s.
12 Let's -- should we just --
13 TODD BLANCHE: Yes.
14 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. Congressman
15 McMillen.
16 TODD BLANCHE: Say it again.
17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: McMillen.
18 TODD BLANCHE: Okay.
19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Henry Rosovsky, who
20 was the provost of Harvard. Hang on (Indiscernible).
21 TODD BLANCHE: Sure. You're looking at
22 your -- your -- your notes.
23 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes.
24 TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead. Go ahead.
25 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Joe Pagano, Jerry
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1 Goldsmith, Joe Roberts, Kenny Lipper, Dan Abramson.
2 I don't know if in the '90s Tom Pritzker,
3 Ace, Jimmy Cayne, Lou Ranieri. I mean, there were --
4 TODD BLANCHE: What about the royal
5 family?
6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. He didn't know
7 them in the '90s.
8 TODD BLANCHE: What about the -- the --
9 what about Prince Andrew?
10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Didn't know him in the
11 '90s.
12 TODD BLANCHE: When did --
13 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, well -- is that
14 right?
15 TODD BLANCHE: I wouldn't know. I do not
16 know. So I don't want you to have -- to worry about
17 exact dates. You're -- you're not positive about
18 that. But you don't have a specific recollection of
19 that being in the '90s?
20 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No.
21 TODD BLANCHE: Okay.
22 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I -- I can I can
23 date it for you, I think, but I can't give you --
24 TODD BLANCHE: That's okay. I think
25 that's fine.
1 Goldsmith, Joe Roberts, Kenny Lipper, Dan Abramson.
2 I don't know if in the '90s Tom Pritzker,
3 Ace, Jimmy Cayne, Lou Ranieri. I mean, there were --
4 TODD BLANCHE: What about the royal
5 family?
6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. He didn't know
7 them in the '90s.
8 TODD BLANCHE: What about the -- the --
9 what about Prince Andrew?
10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Didn't know him in the
11 '90s.
12 TODD BLANCHE: When did --
13 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, well -- is that
14 right?
15 TODD BLANCHE: I wouldn't know. I do not
16 know. So I don't want you to have -- to worry about
17 exact dates. You're -- you're not positive about
18 that. But you don't have a specific recollection of
19 that being in the '90s?
20 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No.
21 TODD BLANCHE: Okay.
22 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I -- I can I can
23 date it for you, I think, but I can't give you --
24 TODD BLANCHE: That's okay. I think
25 that's fine.
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