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This document is a transcript of an interview or testimony involving Ghislaine Maxwell and Todd Blanche, with a brief interjection from David Markus. The discussion primarily revolves around Jeffrey Epstein, focusing on Ghislaine Maxwell's knowledge of any improper activities by him or his associates, her denial of witnessing such acts, and her strong belief that Epstein did not die by suicide but was potentially killed in prison due to BOP mismanagement. She also states she was not at the MCC during the time of Epstein's death and mentions a going rate of $25 of commissary for a 'hit' in prison.
People (4)
| Name | Role | Context |
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| GHISLAINE MAXWELL | Witness/Interviewee |
Participating in a discussion/interview, answering questions about Mr. Epstein and his death, her knowledge of events...
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| TODD BLANCHE | Interviewer/Questioner |
Asking questions to Ghislaine Maxwell about Mr. Epstein, his associates, and his death.
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| Mr. Epstein | Subject of discussion |
Discussed in relation to his associates, alleged improper activities, death, and time at MCC.
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| DAVID MARKUS | Speaker |
Brief interjection: "Oh, thanks. I thought you were giving it to him."
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Organizations (4)
| Name | Type | Context |
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| Bureau of Prisons (BOP) |
Mentioned in relation to mismanagement, inefficiencies, and dereliction of duty concerning Mr. Epstein's death.
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| Office of the Inspector General (OIG) |
Mentioned in relation to a report concerning BOP failure.
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| SDNY |
Mentioned in relation to an investigation.
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| MAGNA LEGAL SERVICES |
Transcribing entity, shown in footer.
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Timeline (3 events)
Discussion about individuals associated with Mr. Epstein, their relationship with him, and alleged improper activities. Ghislaine Maxwell denies observing any improper behavior.
Discussion about Mr. Epstein's death, the circumstances surrounding it, and whether he died by suicide or was killed in prison.
MCC (implied for Epstein's death)
Ghislaine Maxwell denies being at the MCC during the time of Mr. Epstein's death.
MCC
Locations (1)
| Location | Context |
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Discussed in relation to Mr. Epstein's death and Ghislaine Maxwell's presence there.
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Relationships (4)
Discusses her knowledge of him, his associates, and her interactions regarding him. 'many years you knew them'
Mentioned in the context of 'improper with Mr. Epstein, whether with masseuses'
Mentioned in the context of 'women who were -- or girls who were traveling'
Maxwell states 'In prison, where I am, they will kill you or they will pay -- somebody can pay a prisoner to kill you'.
Key Quotes (8)
"For any of the folks that we've talked about today, did you observe them doing anything improper with Mr. Epstein, whether with masseuses or with women who were -- or girls who were traveling or at the residence that they were at or at the parties that they were at?"Source
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"I did not ever, at any time, see that."Source
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"If anybody had ever reported anything -- first of all, the answer to that is no. And also, I just want to be clear that had anybody ever reported anything illegal or disgusting like that, I would've immediately done something. And I never heard it. I never saw it. And no one ever, ever, ever complained to me or tears, nothing like that."Source
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"So Mr. Epstein and his death. So you were not, obviously, at the MCC during that time, correct."Source
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"I was not."Source
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"And there's a third component to that, which is having experienced now, the mismanagement and inefficiencies and total dereliction of duty at the Bureau of Prisons."Source
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"I do not believe he died by suicide, no."Source
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"In prison, where I am, they will kill you or they will pay -- somebody can pay a prisoner to kill you for $25 worth of commissary. That's about the going rate for a hit with a lock today."Source
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Page 202
1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay.
2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Something like that, I
3 think.
4 TODD BLANCHE: There's some more names
5 that we might talk about tomorrow with the same type
6 of questions, just -- but as far as a catchall,
7 there's been a tremendous amount of public
8 information about all kinds of names, including some
9 of the folks we talked about today and their
10 relationship with Mr. Epstein and or you.
11 For any of the folks that we've talked
12 about today, did you observe them doing anything
13 improper with Mr. Epstein, whether with masseuses or
14 with women who were -- or girls who were traveling or
15 at the residence that they were at or at the parties
16 that they were at?
17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did not ever, at any
18 time, see that.
19 TODD BLANCHE: And for any of the names
20 we've talked about today, and then tomorrow we'll
21 talk about some more, but for today, do you recall
22 having any conversations with anybody else, where
23 they reported to you that they had seen something
24 that one of these individuals had done, whether
25 someone else that works with Mr. Epstein or somebody
Page 203
1 that observed something?
2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: If anybody had ever
3 reported anything -- first of all, the answer to that
4 is no. And also, I just want to be clear that had
5 anybody ever reported anything illegal or disgusting
6 like that, I would've immediately done something.
7 And I never heard it. I never saw it. And no one
8 ever, ever, ever complained to me or tears, nothing
9 like that.
10 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. All right. So we
11 took a break when we were talking about Mr. Epstein
12 and his death. Oh, bless you. That's okay. Take
13 your time.
14 So Mr. Epstein and his death. So you were
15 not, obviously, at the MCC during that time, correct.
16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Thank you.
17 DAVID MARKUS: Oh, thanks. I thought you
18 were giving it to him.
19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I've got something
20 that blew up my nose.
21 TODD BLANCHE: So just take some water.
22 It's okay, no problem.
23 You were not at the MCC during that time,
24 correct?
25 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I was not.
Page 204
1 TODD BLANCHE: So you're going to tell us
2 what you believe, but just to -- I just want to make
3 sure I understand, your basis for belief is kind of
4 what you've read and seen and your knowledge of
5 Mr. Epstein for the many years you knew them -- knew
6 him, right?
7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And actually there's a
8 third component.
9 TODD BLANCHE: Okay.
10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: The answer to that is,
11 yes.
12 TODD BLANCHE: Okay.
13 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And there's a third
14 component to that, which is having experienced now,
15 the mismanagement and inefficiencies and total
16 dereliction of duty at the Bureau of Prisons.
17 TODD BLANCHE: From BOP. From the Bureau
18 of Prisons.
19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes.
20 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Fair. Okay. So,
21 you know, I want to -- what I do want to be careful
22 about is -- you know, asking you to speculate,
23 because anybody can do that. And I don't think
24 that's fair to you or anybody else to ask you to give
25 us your kind of opinion.
Page 205
1 But, do you think that -- the third point
2 you say, which is kind of a failure by the BOP,
3 there's been a lot of -- there's an OIG report,
4 there's SDNY investigation about that. Do you -- so
5 you think he was -- he did not die by suicide, given
6 all the things we just talked about.
7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not believe he
8 died by suicide, no.
9 TODD BLANCHE: And do you believe that --
10 do you have any speculation or view of who killed
11 him?
12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I -- no, I don't.
13 TODD BLANCHE: And I ask that because, if
14 you don't believe that there's any truth to the
15 allegations of blackmail or that he had kind of a
16 list, or that he had reasons to have people hate him,
17 why would somebody kill him in prison?
18 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: In prison, where I am,
19 they will kill you or they will pay -- somebody can
20 pay a prisoner to kill you for $25 worth of
21 commissary. That's about the going rate for a hit
22 with a lock today.
23 TODD BLANCHE: So that goes to the third
24 reason, which is kind of the mismanagement.
25 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes.
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1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay.
2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Something like that, I
3 think.
4 TODD BLANCHE: There's some more names
5 that we might talk about tomorrow with the same type
6 of questions, just -- but as far as a catchall,
7 there's been a tremendous amount of public
8 information about all kinds of names, including some
9 of the folks we talked about today and their
10 relationship with Mr. Epstein and or you.
11 For any of the folks that we've talked
12 about today, did you observe them doing anything
13 improper with Mr. Epstein, whether with masseuses or
14 with women who were -- or girls who were traveling or
15 at the residence that they were at or at the parties
16 that they were at?
17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did not ever, at any
18 time, see that.
19 TODD BLANCHE: And for any of the names
20 we've talked about today, and then tomorrow we'll
21 talk about some more, but for today, do you recall
22 having any conversations with anybody else, where
23 they reported to you that they had seen something
24 that one of these individuals had done, whether
25 someone else that works with Mr. Epstein or somebody
Page 203
1 that observed something?
2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: If anybody had ever
3 reported anything -- first of all, the answer to that
4 is no. And also, I just want to be clear that had
5 anybody ever reported anything illegal or disgusting
6 like that, I would've immediately done something.
7 And I never heard it. I never saw it. And no one
8 ever, ever, ever complained to me or tears, nothing
9 like that.
10 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. All right. So we
11 took a break when we were talking about Mr. Epstein
12 and his death. Oh, bless you. That's okay. Take
13 your time.
14 So Mr. Epstein and his death. So you were
15 not, obviously, at the MCC during that time, correct.
16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Thank you.
17 DAVID MARKUS: Oh, thanks. I thought you
18 were giving it to him.
19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I've got something
20 that blew up my nose.
21 TODD BLANCHE: So just take some water.
22 It's okay, no problem.
23 You were not at the MCC during that time,
24 correct?
25 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I was not.
Page 204
1 TODD BLANCHE: So you're going to tell us
2 what you believe, but just to -- I just want to make
3 sure I understand, your basis for belief is kind of
4 what you've read and seen and your knowledge of
5 Mr. Epstein for the many years you knew them -- knew
6 him, right?
7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And actually there's a
8 third component.
9 TODD BLANCHE: Okay.
10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: The answer to that is,
11 yes.
12 TODD BLANCHE: Okay.
13 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And there's a third
14 component to that, which is having experienced now,
15 the mismanagement and inefficiencies and total
16 dereliction of duty at the Bureau of Prisons.
17 TODD BLANCHE: From BOP. From the Bureau
18 of Prisons.
19 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes.
20 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Fair. Okay. So,
21 you know, I want to -- what I do want to be careful
22 about is -- you know, asking you to speculate,
23 because anybody can do that. And I don't think
24 that's fair to you or anybody else to ask you to give
25 us your kind of opinion.
Page 205
1 But, do you think that -- the third point
2 you say, which is kind of a failure by the BOP,
3 there's been a lot of -- there's an OIG report,
4 there's SDNY investigation about that. Do you -- so
5 you think he was -- he did not die by suicide, given
6 all the things we just talked about.
7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not believe he
8 died by suicide, no.
9 TODD BLANCHE: And do you believe that --
10 do you have any speculation or view of who killed
11 him?
12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I -- no, I don't.
13 TODD BLANCHE: And I ask that because, if
14 you don't believe that there's any truth to the
15 allegations of blackmail or that he had kind of a
16 list, or that he had reasons to have people hate him,
17 why would somebody kill him in prison?
18 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: In prison, where I am,
19 they will kill you or they will pay -- somebody can
20 pay a prisoner to kill you for $25 worth of
21 commissary. That's about the going rate for a hit
22 with a lock today.
23 TODD BLANCHE: So that goes to the third
24 reason, which is kind of the mismanagement.
25 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes.
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LEGAL SERVICES
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