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This document is a page from a court transcript (Case 1:20-cr-00330-AJN, USA v. Maxwell) filed on August 10, 2022. Defense attorney Mr. Pagliuca argues against the concept of 'conscious avoidance,' stating that the core issue is a factual dispute regarding the ages of alleged victims (specifically Jane and Kate) and whether the defense had any interaction with another individual named Carolyn. The defense cites testimony from Mr. Alessi stating he only saw two underage-looking individuals at Epstein's house, contrary to the inference of 'hundreds' of underage women.
People (9)
| Name | Role | Context |
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| Mr. Pagliuca | Attorney (Defense) |
Speaking to the court regarding testimony disputes, specifically regarding the ages of alleged victims and the 'consc...
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| The Court | Judge |
Presiding over the case (Case 1:20-cr-00330-AJN), asking clarification questions about Ms. Dubin's testimony.
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| Jeffrey Epstein | Deceased/Subject |
Mentioned in relation to his 'house' where 'literally hundreds of under-age women' were inferred to be.
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| Ghislaine Maxwell | Defendant |
Referred to as 'Ms. Maxwell'. The defense is arguing about what she knew regarding the ages of females.
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| Mr. Alessi | Witness |
Testified that he only saw two people he thought looked under age at the residence.
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| Kate | Alleged Victim/Witness |
Defense contends she was not under age.
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| Ms. Dubin | Witness |
Testified regarding how 'Jane' appeared to her.
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| Jane | Alleged Victim |
Dispute over her age; she claims she was 14 or 15, defense claims she was older and appeared at 'the office'.
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| Carolyn | Alleged Victim |
Defense claims they 'never... had anything to do with Carolyn', disputing her involvement entirely.
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Organizations (2)
| Name | Type | Context |
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| Southern District Reporters, P.C. |
Listed in footer.
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| DOJ |
Department of Justice, indicated by document stamp DOJ-OGR-00016991.
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Timeline (2 events)
2022-08-10
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Location where Mr. Alessi testified about seeing people.
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Location where Ms. Dubin saw 'Jane'.
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Relationships (3)
Alessi gave testimony about who he saw at Epstein's house.
Defense states 'we never... had anything to do with Carolyn'.
Key Quotes (5)
"the inference is that there are, you know, literally hundreds of under-age women at Epstein's house."Source
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"Mr. Alessi was, he only saw two people that he thought looked under age"Source
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"Ms. Maxwell did or didn't know what -- I mean, the contention is that these folks were older."Source
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"Jane says she was 14, 15. We disagree. We believe it's later in time."Source
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"With the exception of Carolyn... we say, we never, you know, had anything to do with Carolyn."Source
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Case 1:20-cr-00330-AJN Document 765 Filed 08/10/22 Page 65 of 95 2803
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1 residence. And I think the testimony that was elicited by the
2 defense went to what the ages of these multiple females looked
3 like, because the inference is that there are, you know,
4 literally hundreds of under-age women at Epstein's house.
5 And so the testimony from Mr. Alessi was, he only saw
6 two people that he thought looked under age, as opposed to the
7 rest of these people.
8 There was no testimony elicited that, you know,
9 Ms. Maxwell did or didn't know what -- I mean, the contention
10 is that these folks were older. Kate, for example, the
11 contention is she wasn't under age.
12 THE COURT: Yesterday, I think Ms. Dubin was asked how
13 Jane appeared to her.
14 MR. PAGLIUCA: Correct, at the office. But I also
15 think that that's a tension here, is that Jane was older than
16 she is saying. You know, the actual factual dispute is, Jane
17 says she was 14, 15. We disagree. We believe it's later in
18 time.
19 So this is not an avoidance issue. This is a factual
20 dispute as to how old these people actually were. With the
21 exception of Carolyn, who says, you know, I was this age, and
22 we say, we never, you know, had anything to do with Carolyn.
23 That's the factual dispute.
24 And so I think there is a legitimate argument that
25 doesn't relate to conscious avoidance, which is, simply, there
2 defense went to what the ages of these multiple females looked
3 like, because the inference is that there are, you know,
4 literally hundreds of under-age women at Epstein's house.
5 And so the testimony from Mr. Alessi was, he only saw
6 two people that he thought looked under age, as opposed to the
7 rest of these people.
8 There was no testimony elicited that, you know,
9 Ms. Maxwell did or didn't know what -- I mean, the contention
10 is that these folks were older. Kate, for example, the
11 contention is she wasn't under age.
12 THE COURT: Yesterday, I think Ms. Dubin was asked how
13 Jane appeared to her.
14 MR. PAGLIUCA: Correct, at the office. But I also
15 think that that's a tension here, is that Jane was older than
16 she is saying. You know, the actual factual dispute is, Jane
17 says she was 14, 15. We disagree. We believe it's later in
18 time.
19 So this is not an avoidance issue. This is a factual
20 dispute as to how old these people actually were. With the
21 exception of Carolyn, who says, you know, I was this age, and
22 we say, we never, you know, had anything to do with Carolyn.
23 That's the factual dispute.
24 And so I think there is a legitimate argument that
25 doesn't relate to conscious avoidance, which is, simply, there
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