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Extraction Summary
8
People
7
Organizations
5
Locations
2
Events
3
Relationships
4
Quotes
Document Information
Type:
Book page (likely 'how america lost its secrets') / congressional exhibit
File Size:
1.63 MB
Summary
This document is page 173 from the book 'How America Lost Its Secrets' by Edward Jay Epstein (indicated by the filename 'Epst' and ISBN), marked as a House Oversight Committee exhibit. The text details the author's investigation into Edward Snowden's handling of stolen NSA documents, specifically citing interviews with Snowden's Russian lawyer, Anatoly Kucherena. The text establishes that Snowden retained a specific set of sensitive documents for himself—withholding them from journalists Greenwald and Poitras in Hong Kong—and that Kucherena later received reports and statements regarding Snowden from Russian authorities in July 2013. The document discusses the concern of US intelligence agencies (NSA, CIA, DOD) regarding what Snowden did with the documents he kept while in Russia.
People (8)
| Name | Role | Context |
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| Shevardnadze | Interviewer/Journalist |
Granddaughter of former Georgian president; interviewed Kucherena regarding Snowden.
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| Kucherena | Lawyer/Intermediary |
Anatoly Kucherena, intermediary for Snowden with Russian authorities; interviewed by Shevardnadze and the author.
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| Edward Snowden | Subject |
Former NSA contractor who took documents; subject of the interviews discussed.
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| Eduard Shevardnadze | Politician |
Mentioned as 'Politburo member of the Soviet Union' and 'first president of Georgia' (grandfather of the interviewer).
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| Glenn Greenwald | Journalist |
Received NSA documents from Snowden in Hong Kong.
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| Laura Poitras | Journalist |
Received NSA documents from Snowden in Hong Kong.
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| Lam | Journalist |
Likely Lana Lam (SCMP); mentioned as one of the people Snowden spoke to in Hong Kong.
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| Author (Me) | Author/Investigator |
Edward Jay Epstein (inferred from filename/ISBN); interviewed Kucherena in Moscow in 2015.
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Organizations (7)
| Name | Type | Context |
|---|---|---|
| Soviet Union |
Historical context for Shevardnadze's family.
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| NSA |
National Security Agency; source of the stolen documents.
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| FSB |
Russian Federal Security Service; negotiated with Snowden.
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| Russian intelligence services |
Interested in Snowden's secret material.
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| CIA |
Central Intelligence Agency; investigating the document theft.
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| Department of Defense |
Investigating the document theft.
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| House Oversight Committee |
Indicated by the footer stamp 'HOUSE_OVERSIGHT'.
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Locations (5)
| Location | Context |
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Location of Kucherena and Snowden.
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Historical political entity.
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Country where Shevardnadze's grandfather was president.
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Location where the author interviewed Kucherena in 2015.
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Location where Snowden met journalists and divided the documents.
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Relationships (3)
He had acted as an intermediary for Snowden in his negotiations with Russian authorities
Snowden told Greenwald... that he had divided the stolen NSA documents
One set he gave to Poitras and Greenwald on thumb drives.
Key Quotes (4)
"When I interviewed Kucherena in Moscow in 2015, he told me that 'all the reports' concerning Snowden had been turned over to him by 'Russian authorities' in July 2013."Source
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"'I had all of Snowden's statements,' he said."Source
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"Kucherena answered her question without any evasion, saying that Snowden had only given 'some' of the NSA's documents in his possession to journalists in Hong Kong."Source
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Quote #3
"He had kept the remaining documents in his possession."Source
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Full Extracted Text
Complete text extracted from the document (2,405 characters)
The Keys to the Kingdom Are Missing | 173
ter and Politburo member of the Soviet Union and, after the Soviet
Union broke up, the first president of Georgia. Even though she had
interviewed many top political figures in Russia, obtaining an hour-
long interview with Kucherena was a coup because, until then, he
had not discussed Snowden in a television interview.
Union broke up, the first president of Georgia. Even though she had
interviewed many top political figures in Russia, obtaining an hour-
long interview with Kucherena was a coup because, until then, he
had not discussed Snowden in a television interview.
About halfway through the interview, Shevardnadze brought
up the highly sensitive subject of the disposition of the NSA docu-
ments. If anyone was in a position to know about these documents,
it was Kucherena. He had acted as an intermediary for Snowden
in his negotiations with Russian authorities, including the FSB. As
such, he would be privy to the status of the secret material that was
of interest to the Russian intelligence services. When I interviewed
Kucherena in Moscow in 2015, he told me that "all the reports" con-
cerning Snowden had been turned over to him by "Russian authori-
ties" in July 2013. "I had all of Snowden's statements," he said. If so,
he presumably knew what Snowden had told the Russian security
services.
up the highly sensitive subject of the disposition of the NSA docu-
ments. If anyone was in a position to know about these documents,
it was Kucherena. He had acted as an intermediary for Snowden
in his negotiations with Russian authorities, including the FSB. As
such, he would be privy to the status of the secret material that was
of interest to the Russian intelligence services. When I interviewed
Kucherena in Moscow in 2015, he told me that "all the reports" con-
cerning Snowden had been turned over to him by "Russian authori-
ties" in July 2013. "I had all of Snowden's statements," he said. If so,
he presumably knew what Snowden had told the Russian security
services.
Had Snowden come to Russia with empty hands or bearing gifts?
Shevardnadze directly asked Kucherena if Snowden had given all
the documents he had taken from the NSA to journalists in Hong
Kong. Kucherena answered her question without any evasion, say-
ing that Snowden had only given "some" of the NSA's documents in
his possession to journalists in Hong Kong. He had kept the remain-
ing documents in his possession. That confirmed what Snowden had
told Greenwald, Poitras, and Lam in Hong Kong. Snowden told them
that he had divided the stolen NSA documents into two separate sets
of documents. One set he gave to Poitras and Greenwald on thumb
drives. The other set, which he told them he considered too sensi-
tive for these journalists, he retained for himself. U.S. investigators
at the NSA, the CIA, and the Department of Defense would like to
know what Snowden did with the set of documents he had retained
for himself and had not shared with the journalists in Hong Kong.
Shevardnadze directly asked Kucherena if Snowden had given all
the documents he had taken from the NSA to journalists in Hong
Kong. Kucherena answered her question without any evasion, say-
ing that Snowden had only given "some" of the NSA's documents in
his possession to journalists in Hong Kong. He had kept the remain-
ing documents in his possession. That confirmed what Snowden had
told Greenwald, Poitras, and Lam in Hong Kong. Snowden told them
that he had divided the stolen NSA documents into two separate sets
of documents. One set he gave to Poitras and Greenwald on thumb
drives. The other set, which he told them he considered too sensi-
tive for these journalists, he retained for himself. U.S. investigators
at the NSA, the CIA, and the Department of Defense would like to
know what Snowden did with the set of documents he had retained
for himself and had not shared with the journalists in Hong Kong.
Shevardnadze, who makes it a point to drill her interviewees,
pressed Kucherena as to whether Snowden still had these NSA files,
or "material," in Russia. The dialogue went as follows (from the
transcript supplied to me by Shevardnadze).
pressed Kucherena as to whether Snowden still had these NSA files,
or "material," in Russia. The dialogue went as follows (from the
transcript supplied to me by Shevardnadze).
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