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Case 1:20-cr-00330-PAE Document 616-20 Filed 02/24/22 Page 32 of 67
A-5650

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v
PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL.,
February 15, 2012

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1 Q. Had it occurred to you when you were telling these lies
2 that it was an odd way to start service as a juror, to lie to
3 the Court?
4 A. I don't know.
5 Q. You don't remember whether it occurred to you or not?
6 A. It's a weird question, sir.
7 Q. It's a weird answer, ma'am.
8 MR. OKULA: Objection, Judge.
9 THE COURT: Sustained. Please put a question to the
10 witness.
11 Q. Ma'am, was it a deliberate lie? Did you know you were
12 lying when you said it?
13 A. Yes.
14 Q. Then the judge asked you "Who are the other members of your
15 household?" You said, "I live with my husband. He's retired
16 at the present time," correct?
17 A. Yes.
18 Q. That was true, that you lived with your husband, correct?
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. But you never lived with your husband at the address you
21 had given, correct?
22 A. I didn't give any address on voir dire.
23 Q. You never lived with your husband at your parents' house in
24 Bronxville, did you?
25 A. No, no.

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1 Q. So, you created a false impression that you and your
2 husband owned a house there, correct?
3 A. I don't know what the judge's impression was.
4 Q. You were trying to create a false impression that you and
5 your husband were homeowners who owned a house and lived in
6 Bronxville, correct?
7 MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor. I don't think
8 there is anything mentioned about a house there.
9 THE COURT: Overruled.
10 A. I don't know.
11 Q. You told the juror that he was retired, and the Court said,
12 "What is he retired from"?
13 A. Yes.
14 Q. You said he owned some bus companies?
15 A. Bus companies, yes.
16 Q. What bus companies does he own?
17 A. That was 30 years ago. My husband is 21 years older than I
18 am. Somewhere in Jersey.
19 Q. Do you know the name of a bus company?
20 A. Chinese ones that explode on I-95. I don't know. No, not
21 really.
22 Q. You said he owns some bus companies. Did he own any bus
23 companies at the time of the voir dire?
24 A. Oh, no, no.
25 Q. He had not owned any bus companies for some 30 years before

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1 that date?
2 A. Maybe 25. I'm not really sure.
3 Q. What was the truthful answer to "What is he retired from,"
4 ma'am?
5 A. Being a businessman.
6 Q. When was the last time he was a businessman?
7 A. I guess maybe 20 years ago.
8 Q. What he was actually retired from was being a criminal,
9 right?
10 A. Please.
11 Q. Well --
12 A. I don't understand your question.
13 Q. What has your husband done since he left the New Jersey
14 penitentiary in 2004?
15 A. He's been a very faithful, good husband.
16 Q. Has he had a job?
17 A. No.
18 Q. Did you think that you were misleading the Court by saying,
19 in answer to the question "What is he retired from," "He owns
20 some bus companies"?
21 A. Owned.
22 Q. That's not what the transcript says. But let's say you
23 said "owned." Did you think you were misleading the Court when
24 the judge said, "What is he retired from?" and you said, "He
25 owned some bus companies"?

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1 A. No, of course not.
2 Q. That wasn't misleading at all?
3 A. No.
4 Q. Did you apply that same standard of what is or is not
5 misleading in acquitting your function as a juror?
6 A. I don't really know what your question means.
7 Q. My question means you have an idea of what is misleading
8 and what is not misleading, right?
9 A. Of course.
10 Q. You think that what you said here about the bus companies
11 is not misleading, correct?
12 A. Not at all. Maybe it's a transcription, "own" or "owned."
13 That's it.
14 Q. In fact, did you apply that same standard in your mind of
15 what is or is not misleading in evaluating the evidence in this
16 case?
17 A. Of course we had to, and I had to, and I did.
18 Q. Then the Court asked you, "Do you work outside the home?"
19 And you answered, "No, I'm a stay-at-home wife," right?
20 A. Correct.
21 Q. Then the Court asked you, "Do you have any children," and
22 you said, "No."
23 A. I should have said that I know of. But no, you're correct.
24 Q. Then the judge said, "What is the highest level of
25 education you have attained?"

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