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A document stamped with a House Oversight Bates number containing an excerpt from an article or book about Pickup Artistry (PUA). The text discusses the concept of 'Last Minute Resistance' (LMR), critiquing tactics that border on non-consensual behavior while highlighting advice from David Shade and Mark Manson that encourages respecting boundaries, even if the ultimate goal remains seduction.
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| Unidentified Author | Writer/Narrator |
Discusses their 'PUA adventures' and 'my book'; critiques rape culture within the PUA community.
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| David Shade | PUA (Pickup Artist) / Advisor |
Quoted by the author as someone who advocates respecting resistance, though as a tactic to build tension.
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| Mark Manson | Author / Advisor |
Quoted regarding 'LMR' situations; advises men to stop pressuring women and accept 'no' to build trust.
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| Unnamed PUA | Pickup Artist |
Quoted advising that 'The first two no's don't mean much'.
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| House Oversight Committee |
Indicated by the document footer stamp 'HOUSE_OVERSIGHT'.
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| PUA Community |
The collective group of Pickup Artists discussed in the text.
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Author quotes Shade favorably compared to other PUAs.
Author uses Manson as an example of a specific approach to PUA.
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"There were points during my PUA adventures when I learned about incidents and strategies that blatantly sound like rape."Source
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""The first two 'no's don't mean much, and should be expected,""Source
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"Do not push against last minute resistance. You will be like all the other guys who objectify women and do not respect her as a real person."Source
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"In [an LMR situation], there's always a fork in the road: you can do the typical freeze-out/high-pressure PUA bullshit... Or you can be honest about the situation and resign yourself to accepting the fact that you may not have sex tonight."Source
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There are a lot of things about pickup artistry that I really do not like. There were points during my PUA adventures when I learned about incidents and strategies that blatantly sound like rape. This is a huge can of worms, and I discussed it at great length in my book. For now I will only note that there is an entire PUA area of inquiry called "Last Minute Resistance" (or "LMR"): that is, what happens when a woman resists having sex. "Last Minute Resistance tactics" ("LMR tactics") are designed to convince a woman who has expressed hesitance, distaste or discomfort to have sex anyway.
"The first two 'no's don't mean much, and should be expected," advises one PUA while outlining LMR tactics. This is exactly the kind of thing that gives the community a bad name. In fairness, some PUAs talk about trying to understand why a girl is uncomfortable, and then addressing the root cause of her discomfort. For example, a PUA might advise asking whether she is menstruating, and then reassuring her that he won't be grossed out by having sex if she is. Some PUAs try to claim that most LMR tactics are harmless and communicative, but this is a difficult claim to defend. I have always been more impressed by the few PUAs who simply advocate respecting Last Minute Resistance, such as David Shade:
Do not push against last minute resistance. You will be like all the other guys who objectify women and do not respect her as a real person. And it will reek of desperation.
... In fact, move things along just slightly slower than she'd like it. Make her wait. It builds that sexual tension, and it makes her think. When she is away from you, she is going to think about it a lot.
Of course, while Shade is advising his clients to respect boundaries, he's advising them to respect boundaries as a tactic for seducing the woman eventually. Another example of this approach comes from Mark Manson, who appears more interested in respecting women for the sake of respecting women, but whose main thrust is still seduction advice:
In [an LMR situation], there's always a fork in the road: you can do the typical freeze-out/high-pressure PUA bullshit to try to manipulate her or annoy her into giving up the resistance. Or you can be honest about the situation and resign yourself to accepting the fact that you may not have sex tonight.
Guys, listen. Always, always, always go with the second option. It may sound counter-intuitive, but you have to go with the second option. Not only because it's the right thing to do. Not only because it's what any respectful human being should do. But because if you make it clear that there is absolutely no pressure for her to sleep with you, if you show her that you can be trusted and that you're OK with whatever she decides (and by the way, you do need to be OK with whatever she decides), then she's going to become ten times more comfortable with you, and therefore is actually more likely to WANT to have sex with you.
PUA frameworks and tactics are often consent-friendly. Many "LMR tactics" encourage pushiness or even outright non-consensual behavior, such as ignoring the woman when she says, "No." Yet things I discussed in previous sections of this article – such as "negs," and body-language "kino" tactics -- are clearly neutral: their usage is shaped mostly by the goals of individual PUAs and the social context in which they occur. Discussions of
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