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1 I'm nervous about the state of the ocean.
2 When Ted and I, we worked with National
3 Geographic and we did exploratory work and the most
4 exciting -- we did many exciting things, but one of
5 the most fabulous ones that we did was we looked for
6 Amelia Earhart twice. I did two expeditions to look
7 for Amelia Earhart, as an example of an -- of a
8 exploration that we did.
9 And he had a foundation for the ocean and
10 we worked with Nat Geo, we worked with Woods Hole.
11 We did amazing things.
12 We bought-- he bought the Remus 6000, so
13 when the plane went missing, the plane that went --
14 was it Air France? From Brazil to Paris that went
15 down, it was the Remus 6000 that found that plane.
16 It's one of those deep sea explorers.
17 Anyway, when I broke up with Ted, I
18 just -- one of the things I did not want to give up
19 was the -- my love of the ocean and everything that
20 we did and TerraMar, the genesis of TerraMar came
21 from that. So TerraMar obviously means land, sea.
22 And the story of the ocean is that earth
23 really shouldn't be called earth, it should be called
24 ocean because three quarters is the ocean.
25 So -- and so I wanted to not clash with
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1 anything to do with Ted, because it was a bit awkward
2 between us and I -- so he took all the part of the
3 ocean that was close to land, so within 200 miles.
4 And so I decided I would focus on all the
5 part of the ocean that was outside of national
6 borders, TerraMar. And that's how that -- that's the
7 genesis of TerraMar. Okay.
8 TODD BLANCHE: So what was the time period
9 of that?
10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That -- I think after
11 I broke up with Ted, so 2010, '11 is when it started.
12 And then I ran it all the way up until whenever the
13 Epstein drama struck and then I just shut it down.
14 Not -- I shut it down because I didn't
15 want what was happening to hurt any -- the
16 Smithsonian or Nat Geo or the -- I just couldn't let
17 everything be hurt by what was happening to me.
18 TODD BLANCHE: Do you know Jean-Luc
19 Brunel?
20 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes.
21 TODD BLANCHE: How do you know him?
22 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I met him -- so
23 when -- I told you I was working for the European,
24 for my dad --
25 TODD BLANCHE: Uh-huh.
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1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- and I was in
2 charge.
3 TODD BLANCHE: So back in like '90, early
4 '90s?
5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yeah. And I was
6 running a magazine. One of the things in the
7 magazine is fashion. And so I was going to some
8 fashion shows and I was looking for fashion
9 sponsorship. And in fact, when I came to America,
10 one of the first sponsors that I got for it was Ron
11 Perelman at Revlon, who was great. And I met
12 Jean-Luc through just in Paris like that. But
13 socially not ...
14 TODD BLANCHE: Did Mr. Epstein know him as
15 well? Did you later learn whether they knew each
16 other?
17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm not sure I -- I
18 don't -- he would've -- Epstein had his own fashion
19 situation, so he would've -- I don't -- he didn't
20 meet Jean-Luc through me.
21 TODD BLANCHE: Did you ever observe them
22 together over the years?
23 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Absolutely. Yeah, I
24 saw them many times together.
25 TODD BLANCHE: Did -- did he visit the
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1 island?
2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes.
3 TODD BLANCHE: Did he go to Palm --
4 meet -- go to Palm Beach House?
5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes, he went -- yeah,
6 he went everywhere. I saw him in every place.
7 TODD BLANCHE: Did do you ever observe him
8 getting a massage or do you ever know whether they
9 got a massage? Maybe you didn't observe him
10 personally? You don't remember.
11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't know. I mean,
12 I don't -- I never -- I have no conscious memory of
13 Jean-Luc. I would imagine that he did, but I
14 never I don't see it.
15 TODD BLANCHE: How about Mr. Weinstein,
16 Harvey Weinstein?
17 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: What would you like to
18 know?
19 TODD BLANCHE: Do you know him?
20 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes.
21 TODD BLANCHE: How do you know him? Like,
22 I guess when I say "how do you know him," is it a
23 relationship you had kind of separate from
24 Mr. Epstein or did you guys -- did you meet him
25 through Mr. Epstein or both?
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