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1 TODD BLANCHE: Or the shortfallings or
2 shortcomings of the Bureau of Prisons.
3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes.
4 TODD BLANCHE: Which is a little bit
5 different than my -- from my question is, which is,
6 do you think there was somebody on the outside of
7 prison, so putting aside, what could happen on the
8 inside on the outside of prison, who would -- who
9 wanted him dead so badly that he would've, or she
10 would've, you know, caused him to be killed on the
11 inside?
12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think that's -- I
13 don't see that. I think, is it possible? Of course
14 it's possible. But I don't know of any reason why,
15 and I don't believe in the blackmail or in any of
16 this, I don't think Epstein had a hit on like that.
17 If it is indeed murder, I believe it was an internal
18 situation.
19 TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. So you're not -- you
20 don't have any reason firsthand knowledge or even
21 speculation, it sounds like, to think that he was --
22 if -- that he was killed to kind of silence him or to
23 keep him from going public about people he knew
24 about?
25 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't, no, because I
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1 think that is just part of the story that's been
2 created that started back in 2008, '09.
3 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Yeah, I mean, that's
4 the point. Like, I don't want -- I don't think
5 there's value in talking -- you know, there's been a
6 lot of -- there's a lot of information about what
7 happened, you know, at the MCC and -- but what is
8 important to me is whether, you know, if -- is the
9 idea that he didn't die by suicide, that's one thing.
10 But if to the extent that folks believe that he was
11 murdered to keep him quiet or because he had
12 information on rich and powerful people, that's what
13 I -- do you have any reason to believe that that's
14 true?
15 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I do not have any
16 reason to believe that. And I also think it's
17 ludicrous, because if that -- I also happen to think
18 if that is what they wanted, they would've had plenty
19 of opportunity when he wasn't in jail. And if they
20 were worried about blackmail or anything from him, he
21 would've been a very easy target.
22 TODD BLANCHE: In the time -- so we've
23 talked about a lot of time, all the way up through
24 2009, '10, and then your -- the time that after
25 Mr. Epstein was arrested, when's the last time you
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1 spoke with him?
2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Maybe 2016, 2017,
3 maybe 2016 -- 2015, 2016, 2017 in that area, I
4 believe.
5 TODD BLANCHE: And what -- when you're
6 thinking about that last time was that you had
7 talked -- been talking to him a lot, and then you
8 stopped, or was that a one-off time and it was
9 infrequent at that point?
10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I really wasn't in
11 communication. The only communications I had with
12 him was in -- with regards to the civil suits, the
13 civil suit that I found myself in, the defamation
14 suit I found myself in. I needed help, I needed
15 information, and I didn't have what I needed.
16 And so that was really what it was -- that
17 what drove it, was me trying to get myself out of
18 this situation, which I -- ultimately led to where I
19 am today.
20 And so when -- when all that -- when
21 I don't remember even if I stopped talking to
22 him before that, I think he was -- I thought he was
23 angry with me anyway. He didn't like what I did, and
24 he -- I wasn't interested in what he had to say to
25 me, and --
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1 TODD BLANCHE: What did you think he was
2 angry with you about?
3 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think he was angry
4 that I had even said that I had referred to her being
5 a liar. He said I should have not said anything but.
6 TODD BLANCHE: When the civil suits that
7 were ongoing before Mr. Epstein's death?
8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes.
9 TODD BLANCHE: Did your lawyers coordinate
10 with his lawyers, like in discovery and things like
11 that or anything?
12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't think we
13 coordinated in -- I don't -- I'm not sure.
14 TODD BLANCHE: Okay.
15 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I don't want to
16 misspeak. I don't -- I -- there was some degree of
17 communication for sure. I just don't know the degree
18 that that took place. So definitely -- I mean, I was
19 definitely hoping for him to be more helpful. And I
20 was definitely, coordinating is not a good word,
21 because that sounds like I was trying to make --
22 align myself.
23 That's not where we were going here, but I
24 was definitely trying to get help. As in documents
25 or information that I could use to defend myself.
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