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This document is an exhibit (A-5655) filed on Feb 24, 2022, in the Ghislaine Maxwell case (1:20-cr-00330-PAE). It contains a transcript from a 2012 trial (*USA v. Daugerdas*) featuring the direct examination of a witness named Conrad. The testimony focuses on Conrad's criminal history—including multiple DUIs, assaulting a police officer, shoplifting shrimp, and harassment—and his admission to lying about these arrests during jury selection (voir dire) and on a petition filed under oath.
People (4)
| Name | Role | Context |
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| Conrad | Witness |
Being examined regarding past criminal history and lying during jury selection (voir dire).
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| Mr. Okula | Attorney |
Makes objections during the examination.
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| Judge Pauley | Judge |
Referenced as the judge who asked questions about arrests during a previous jury selection.
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| Paul M. Daugerdas | Defendant (in original case) |
Listed in the case header of the transcript.
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Organizations (2)
| Name | Type | Context |
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| United States of America |
Plaintiff in the case header.
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| Southern District Reporters |
Listed in the document footer.
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Timeline (4 events)
Locations (1)
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Location where shoplifting incidents occurred.
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Relationships (1)
Conrad violated a protection order by making threatening phone calls to a 'romantic rival'.
Key Quotes (4)
"I believe I punched the cop in his stomach. But that was dropped."Source
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"I didn't. It was a bag of shrimp."Source
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"Do you know that you lied your way on to a jury and your conduct could send people to prison?"Source
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"You were threatening a romantic rival? ... It was phonecalls."Source
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Case 1:20-cr-00330-PAE Document 166-2 Filed 02/24/22 Page 37 of 67
A-5655
A-5655
February 15, 2012
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v
PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL.,
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v
PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL.,
[Page 181]
C2frdau5 Conrad - direct
1 A. I was at that time, yes, I was.
2 Q. Now I'd like you to look at Exhibit 21, which is your
3 petition, and specifically paragraph 24 of that petition. This
4 is the petition you filed at the end of February 2011, right?
5 A. February 28, correct.
6 Q. Under oath. You said that you had not been arrested,
7 charged with, indicted, convicted, tried, and/or pleaded guilty
8 to the following violations, misdemeanors, and/or felonies
9 during the period of your discipline, correct?
10 A. Correct.
11 Q. An outright lie, correct?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. Because you were arrested not once but twice in shoplifting
14 cases, were you not?
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. You were shoplifting very small items from convenience
17 stores, correct?
18 A. They obviously weren't that convenient.
19 Q. Is there something that you think is funny about these
20 proceedings?
21 A. Not at all.
22 Q. Do you know that you lied your way on to a jury and your
23 conduct could send people to prison?
24 MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor.
25 THE COURT: Sustained.
C2frdau5 Conrad - direct
1 A. I was at that time, yes, I was.
2 Q. Now I'd like you to look at Exhibit 21, which is your
3 petition, and specifically paragraph 24 of that petition. This
4 is the petition you filed at the end of February 2011, right?
5 A. February 28, correct.
6 Q. Under oath. You said that you had not been arrested,
7 charged with, indicted, convicted, tried, and/or pleaded guilty
8 to the following violations, misdemeanors, and/or felonies
9 during the period of your discipline, correct?
10 A. Correct.
11 Q. An outright lie, correct?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. Because you were arrested not once but twice in shoplifting
14 cases, were you not?
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. You were shoplifting very small items from convenience
17 stores, correct?
18 A. They obviously weren't that convenient.
19 Q. Is there something that you think is funny about these
20 proceedings?
21 A. Not at all.
22 Q. Do you know that you lied your way on to a jury and your
23 conduct could send people to prison?
24 MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor.
25 THE COURT: Sustained.
[Page 182]
C2frdau5 Conrad - direct
1 Q. Why did you steal envelopes and newspapers and greeting
2 cards from a convenience store?
3 A. I didn't. It was a bag of shrimp.
4 Q. So, if the indictment said that you were stealing greeting
5 cards, you never stole any greeting cards, you only stole a bag
6 of shrimp?
7 A. Yes, sir.
8 Q. In both cases, did you steal two bags of shrimp, one in
9 each store?
10 A. I don't recall what the other one was.
11 Q. Why did you steal a bag of shrimp?
12 A. I was drunk.
13 Q. Was that during the period of your abstinence?
14 A. The question sort of doesn't make sense, right?
15 Q. Do you even remember what you stole from the other store?
16 A. It might have been a videotape.
17 Q. The whole venire was asked questions at jury selection
18 about whether or not they had ever been arrested for or
19 convicted of a crime, correct?
20 A. I remember, correct.
21 Q. You knew at the time that that question was asked that the
22 truthful answer was that you had been arrested and convicted of
23 crimes, correct?
24 A. Yes.
25 Q. You had been arrested and convicted for driving under the
C2frdau5 Conrad - direct
1 Q. Why did you steal envelopes and newspapers and greeting
2 cards from a convenience store?
3 A. I didn't. It was a bag of shrimp.
4 Q. So, if the indictment said that you were stealing greeting
5 cards, you never stole any greeting cards, you only stole a bag
6 of shrimp?
7 A. Yes, sir.
8 Q. In both cases, did you steal two bags of shrimp, one in
9 each store?
10 A. I don't recall what the other one was.
11 Q. Why did you steal a bag of shrimp?
12 A. I was drunk.
13 Q. Was that during the period of your abstinence?
14 A. The question sort of doesn't make sense, right?
15 Q. Do you even remember what you stole from the other store?
16 A. It might have been a videotape.
17 Q. The whole venire was asked questions at jury selection
18 about whether or not they had ever been arrested for or
19 convicted of a crime, correct?
20 A. I remember, correct.
21 Q. You knew at the time that that question was asked that the
22 truthful answer was that you had been arrested and convicted of
23 crimes, correct?
24 A. Yes.
25 Q. You had been arrested and convicted for driving under the
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C2frdau5 Conrad - direct
1 influence, correct?
2 A. 1997?
3 Q. In April of 1998 you were convicted of DUI, correct?
4 A. That was the second one, yes, sir.
5 Q. In the first incident you were charged not only with DUI
6 but with assault, correct?
7 A. Either the first or the second. I'm not sure.
8 Q. In the one where you were charged with assault, who did you
9 assault?
10 A. I believe I punched the cop in his stomach. But that was
11 dropped.
12 Q. That conviction for DUI that involved an arrest for
13 assault, resisting arrest, harassment, and leaving the scene of
14 the accident, do you think that would have been something that
15 was responsive to Judge Pauley's question about arrests?
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. Did you make a deliberate decision to lie about that?
18 A. I omitted deliberating, yes.
19 Q. That's the same as a lie, right?
20 A. If it has to be folded into that characterization.
21 Q. In your mind, in your norms, does that have to be folded
22 into that characterization?
23 MR. OKULA: Objection to the form, your Honor.
24 THE COURT: Overruled.
25 A. Yes.
C2frdau5 Conrad - direct
1 influence, correct?
2 A. 1997?
3 Q. In April of 1998 you were convicted of DUI, correct?
4 A. That was the second one, yes, sir.
5 Q. In the first incident you were charged not only with DUI
6 but with assault, correct?
7 A. Either the first or the second. I'm not sure.
8 Q. In the one where you were charged with assault, who did you
9 assault?
10 A. I believe I punched the cop in his stomach. But that was
11 dropped.
12 Q. That conviction for DUI that involved an arrest for
13 assault, resisting arrest, harassment, and leaving the scene of
14 the accident, do you think that would have been something that
15 was responsive to Judge Pauley's question about arrests?
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. Did you make a deliberate decision to lie about that?
18 A. I omitted deliberating, yes.
19 Q. That's the same as a lie, right?
20 A. If it has to be folded into that characterization.
21 Q. In your mind, in your norms, does that have to be folded
22 into that characterization?
23 MR. OKULA: Objection to the form, your Honor.
24 THE COURT: Overruled.
25 A. Yes.
[Page 184]
C2frdau5 Conrad - direct
1 Q. So, you lied about that first arrest and conviction, and
2 then you lied by not revealing that you had another arrest and
3 conviction in September of 1998, correct?
4 A. Oh, no. It was I believe April of '98 was the second DUI.
5 Q. So you had two DUI convictions?
6 A. Yes, sir.
7 Q. You also had a conviction for aggravated harassment,
8 correct?
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. And criminal contempt?
11 A. I believe so.
12 Q. That was because you had violated the protection order and
13 you were threatening a romantic rival?
14 A. It was phonecalls.
15 Q. You were threatening her over the phone?
16 A. Correct.
17 Q. Would you say that that was rational behavior?
18 A. Not when one is drinking.
19 Q. It's not even rational when one is not drinking, correct?
20 A. I can't be the judge of that.
21 Q. Did you think that you should have revealed that answer in
22 response to the Court's question?
23 A. Yes.
24 Q. You made a deliberate decision not to do so, correct?
25 A. Yes.
C2frdau5 Conrad - direct
1 Q. So, you lied about that first arrest and conviction, and
2 then you lied by not revealing that you had another arrest and
3 conviction in September of 1998, correct?
4 A. Oh, no. It was I believe April of '98 was the second DUI.
5 Q. So you had two DUI convictions?
6 A. Yes, sir.
7 Q. You also had a conviction for aggravated harassment,
8 correct?
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. And criminal contempt?
11 A. I believe so.
12 Q. That was because you had violated the protection order and
13 you were threatening a romantic rival?
14 A. It was phonecalls.
15 Q. You were threatening her over the phone?
16 A. Correct.
17 Q. Would you say that that was rational behavior?
18 A. Not when one is drinking.
19 Q. It's not even rational when one is not drinking, correct?
20 A. I can't be the judge of that.
21 Q. Did you think that you should have revealed that answer in
22 response to the Court's question?
23 A. Yes.
24 Q. You made a deliberate decision not to do so, correct?
25 A. Yes.
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