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Case 1:20-cr-00330-AJN Document 616-1 Filed 02/24/22 Page 29 of 67
A-5647

February 15, 2012
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v
PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL.,

C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct Page 149
1 A. I hope so.
2 Q. Let me --
3 A. These are semantics, sir. Your client is still guilty as
4 charged with our verdict, and that's it.
5 Q. Well, I think --
6 A. Myself and eleven other unbiased jurors determined that.
7 Q. Do you have a better handle on what the word "bias" means
8 than you do on what the word "irrational" means?
9 A. Absolutely. I've been a plaintiff and a defendant and I've
10 also represented plaintiffs and defendants.
11 Q. Okay. So is it your testimony that you resided at both
12 places, both the Bronx and Bronxville, when you were questioned
13 on voir dire on March 1?
14 A. If that was the date, yes.
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C2frdau5 Conrad - direct Page 151
1 Yes, that's the date it was signed and notarized.
2 Q. This was a statement that was sworn by you before you
3 submitted it to the First Department, correct, before you
4 submitted it to the disciplinary authorities?
5 A. Yes, sir.
6 Q. They asked you the same question Judge Pauley asked you
7 three or four days later, didn't they?
8 A. I'm not specifically sure.
9 Q. Let's look at the second page. Page 2, item number 2, asks
10 for your residence, and it says, "I reside at 2385 Barker
11 Avenue, apartment 3H, Bronx, New York, 10467," correct?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. When you were asked that question on February 26th, the
14 date you executed the affidavit, you lived on Barker Avenue in
15 the Bronx, but a few days later, on March 2nd, when Judge
16 Pauley asked you the identical question, you resided in
17 Bronxville in Westchester, correct?
18 A. Yes, I answered that, correct.
19 Q. Why?
20 A. Because I just thought of myself having two residences.
21 Q. Why didn't you put them both down?
22 A. I really don't know. At that time I don't know.
23 Q. Why did you put the Bronx down on one and tell Judge Pauley
24 Bronx Village on the other.
25 A. Bronxville.

C2frdau5 Conrad - direct Page 150
1 Q. Look at the heading "March 2nd." Do you see the heading on
2 the transcript "March 2, 2011"?
3 A. Oh, yes.
4 Q. You were asked where you resided, and you said you resided
5 in Bronxville, but you actually resided in two places?
6 A. Both, yes.
7 Q. You resided both places, I see. Now, you filed two days
8 earlier a sworn affidavit with the First Department
9 disciplinary committee, is that correct?
10 A. Yes. I don't know if it was two days prior, but around
11 there.
12 Q. They asked you where you lived, didn't they?
13 A. I don't specifically recall.
14 Q. Let's see if we can help.
15 A. Thank you.
16 Q. If you would look at Exhibit 21, tab 21 in your book. Is
17 this the affidavit you filed in support of your application to
18 be reinstated to the practice of law?
19 A. It seems to be, yes, sir.
20 Q. Was it filed on February 28th in the Supreme Court
21 Appellate Division First Department?
22 A. Yes.
23 Q. Was the affidavit executed by you two days earlier, on
24 February 26th?
25 A. Let me get there. If that's the date I signed, it is.

C2frdau5 Conrad - direct Page 152
1 Q. Bronxville.
2 A. Probably because it was a little more reputable.
3 Q. Were you embarrassed by living in the Bronx?
4 A. No.
5 Q. What does the fact that Bronxville is more reputable than
6 the Bronx have to do with anything?
7 A. The average household income.
8 Q. Why did it matter to you that you portray yourself in this
9 court as living in a more affluent area than you actually lived
10 in?
11 A. You're from Chicago. You don't really know that. So I
12 don't know how to answer your question.
13 Q. You don't know how to answer my question because you don't
14 know what I don't know?
15 A. I don't know how to answer that even.
16 Q. That I'm not surprised by.
17 MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor.
18 THE COURT: Sustained. Put a question to the witness.
19 The last question was unanswerable.
20 Q. Ms. Conrad, was it your intention to portray yourself to
21 this Court as living in a more affluent area than you actually
22 lived in?
23 A. No, not really. No, I never thought of it like that.
24 Q. Isn't that what you just said?
25 A. Bronxville is an affluent community. My parents are there,

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