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This document is page 20 of a court transcript filed on August 10, 2022, from Case 1:20-cr-00330-PAE (the Ghislaine Maxwell trial). The text documents a legal argument between attorneys (Mr. Everdell and Ms. Menninger) and the Judge regarding a witness named Kelso. The debate centers on whether Kelso will testify as a fact witness or an expert witness regarding computer forensics and metadata, and whether sufficient disclosure has been made under Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 16.
People (4)
| Name | Role | Context |
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| Mr. Everdell | Defense Attorney |
Discussing the classification of a witness (fact vs. expert) with the Judge.
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| The Court | Judge |
Presiding over the hearing, questioning the nature of testimony regarding Kelso and Rule 16 disclosures.
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| Ms. Menninger | Prosecutor |
Confirming details about the witness; states 'this is my witness'.
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| Kelso | Witness (Forensic Expert) |
Subject of the discussion; anticipated to testify about computer forensics, metadata, and electronic devices.
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| Southern District Reporters, P.C. | ||
| DOJ |
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Timeline (1 events)
2022-08-10
Court hearing regarding Case 1:20-cr-00330-PAE (USA v. Ghislaine Maxwell). Discussion concerns the admissibility and classification of witness Kelso's testimony.
Courtroom (Southern District)
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Ms. Menninger states: 'Your Honor, this is my witness.'
Key Quotes (3)
"Kelso also seems largely anticipated to summarize data documents and photographs on electronic devices either as a fact witness or summary testimony under 1006."Source
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"I'm going to quote from the notice, 'generally about computer forensic principles associated with the creation of document storage and retrieval of digital documents and photographs, including the limits to the information that can be gleaned from the metadata.'"Source
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"I don't think there's been a sufficient disclosure at this point pursuant to Rule 16."Source
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Case 1:20-cr-00330-PAE Document 739 Filed 08/10/22 Page 20 of 43 20
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1 your Honor, although it's not clear from the expert notice
2 whether they anticipate going beyond pure fact testimony.
3 MR. EVERDELL: Your Honor, at this point we anticipate
4 him being a fact witness.
5 THE COURT: Summary and fact witness.
6 MS. MENNINGER: Yes.
7 MR. EVERDELL: I think.
8 THE COURT: Doesn't sound like expert to me, so I
9 don't think there's anything to do on that now.
10 Kelso also seems largely anticipated to summarize data
11 documents and photographs on electronic devices either as a
12 fact witness or summary testimony under 1006. And except
13 Kelso's testimony that may cross over into expert testimony is,
14 I'm going to quote from the notice, "generally about computer
15 forensic principles associated with the creation of document
16 storage and retrieval of digital documents and photographs,
17 including the limits to the information that can be gleaned
18 from the metadata."
19 I don't think there's been a sufficient disclosure at
20 this point pursuant to Rule 16. The disclosure doesn't say
21 what Kelso's opinions actually are about, as to any of these
22 topics, or provide any basis for those opinions. So certainly
23 further disclosure would be necessary before I would allow
24 expert testimony. Is that anticipated?
25 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, this is my witness. He
2 whether they anticipate going beyond pure fact testimony.
3 MR. EVERDELL: Your Honor, at this point we anticipate
4 him being a fact witness.
5 THE COURT: Summary and fact witness.
6 MS. MENNINGER: Yes.
7 MR. EVERDELL: I think.
8 THE COURT: Doesn't sound like expert to me, so I
9 don't think there's anything to do on that now.
10 Kelso also seems largely anticipated to summarize data
11 documents and photographs on electronic devices either as a
12 fact witness or summary testimony under 1006. And except
13 Kelso's testimony that may cross over into expert testimony is,
14 I'm going to quote from the notice, "generally about computer
15 forensic principles associated with the creation of document
16 storage and retrieval of digital documents and photographs,
17 including the limits to the information that can be gleaned
18 from the metadata."
19 I don't think there's been a sufficient disclosure at
20 this point pursuant to Rule 16. The disclosure doesn't say
21 what Kelso's opinions actually are about, as to any of these
22 topics, or provide any basis for those opinions. So certainly
23 further disclosure would be necessary before I would allow
24 expert testimony. Is that anticipated?
25 MS. MENNINGER: Your Honor, this is my witness. He
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
(212) 805-0300
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