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that would add names to it? Like if a masseuse came
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and leaves and Mr. Epstein says yes, she was good,
would you be part -- like, how, how was the list kind
of maintained or who maintained it?
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as to her.
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hey, do you
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GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Typically, no
TODD BLANCHE: No.
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GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- because there would
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be an assistant who would do that. Plus, Epstein
would not allow me to answer the telephone ever. So
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or maintain or keep any of his messages in the
office or at the house.
So typically that wouldn't be, because I
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wouldn't be the one. Could I say to you I never did
it? No, of course not. Because that just seems
ludicrous. But as a rule of thumb, the answer would
be no.
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TODD BLANCHE: During the 2007, '08, '09,
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GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I was not.
TODD BLANCHE: After Mr. Epstein was
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investigation -- the investigation out of the
Southern District of Florida. So you said that you
weren't contacted by law enforcement.
charged, did you have conversations with him about
the investigation?
GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He never talked to me
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DAVID MARKUS: But it's still enforceable
GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, he never said,
are you happy with this deal like
that. But I understood. He never - he never
enjoined me to the NPA, but I understand that he
included me, specifically, and I'll tell you why.
DAVID MARKUS: Well, it's okay. You don't
need to get into that.
TODD BLANCHE: No, no. Yeah. I'm not
I don't want to talk about the legal -- the -- what's
on appeal. I'm just
wasn't.
GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I well, I
TODD BLANCHE: The reason for my question,
just to be -- I'm not trying to hide something, but
there's a very strong belief that he got a very good
deal. And that he should -- she -- he should have
been sentenced to more time or got a different
sentence from the feds than a non-prosecution
agreement.
And I'm not asking you to opine on that,
but I'm wondering whether he ever talked to you about
that. But it sounds like he didn't.
GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That he got a good
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deal. No. I think actually -- well, his comments
that I've read was that he didn't get a good deal.
And I think that the, you know, when he fought it so
hard is because he didn't think he did.
TODD BLANCHE: When he was serving his
sentence, were you ever were you around during
that time, like when he was allowed to leave during
the day or travel during the day?
GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I never called him. I
never saw him and I never went to the jail.
TODD BLANCHE: So I'm going to ask you
questions that you shouldn't read into them. I just
want to know whether you -- whether they resonate
with you.
Have you ever had any contact with any
representative, that you know of, from Mossad, the
Israeli intelligence agency.
GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Can you ask me that
TODD BLANCHE: Has -- have you ever had
any contact with an individual that you understand to
be from Mossad, an Israeli intelligence agency?
GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, not
deliberately.
TODD BLANCHE: Pardon me?
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about it.
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GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I mean, I can't
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let's put it this way. If he did, I have no
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recollection of it. I mean, I'm sure he must have
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said, this is all -- whatever he said or it's nothing
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or whatever.
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I mean, I just don't have any -- I just
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don't have any memory. I mean, I just -- I was with
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Ted. My -- I was like gone. I mean, plus I just
didn't want to know either, I suppose.
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TODD BLANCHE: So you don't know,
firsthand, why the U.S. Attorney in Florida made the
deal that he did? Meaning you weren't part of that
discussion along the way.
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Like Mr. Epstein didn't say, I'm getting a
good deal or, you know, I -- something is happening
with the case that's very good.
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You were to the extent you know
anything about it, it's just from what you've heard
or read from others, not from Mr. Epstein; is that
right?
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GHISLAINE MAXWELL: He never talked about
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the non-prosecution directly with me, no. But he did
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