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This document is a court transcript from August 10, 2022, detailing a discussion between Mr. Rohrbach and the presiding judge. The conversation centers on the legal definition of 'illegal sexual activity' within an indictment, specifically whether events in New Mexico and the intent for activity in New York satisfy the requirements of the Mann Act for conspiracy charges against 'minor Victim 2'. The judge expresses concern about potential jury confusion over the complex legal points being argued.
People (4)
| Name | Role | Context |
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| Mr. Epstein |
Mentioned in relation to sexual conduct that is the subject of the court discussion.
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| ROHRBACH | Mr. |
An individual, likely an attorney, addressing the court.
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| THE COURT | Judge |
The presiding judge in the legal proceeding, addressed as 'your Honor'.
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| minor Victim 2 | Victim |
Mentioned as being charged only in the conspiracy counts of the indictment.
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Organizations (2)
| Name | Type | Context |
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| government | government agency |
The entity that has brought charges of illegal sexual activity in the indictment.
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| SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. | company |
The court reporting agency that transcribed the proceeding.
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Timeline (1 events)
2022-08-10
A legal discussion between Mr. Rohrbach and the Court regarding the definition of 'illegal sexual activity' as it pertains to an indictment, conspiracy charges, the Mann Act, and events in New Mexico and New York.
Courtroom (implied by Southern District Reporters)
MR. ROHRBACH
THE COURT
Locations (2)
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A location where events took place that are being discussed in relation to the Mann Act and illegal sexual activity.
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A location where there was alleged intent to engage in illegal sexual activity.
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Relationships (2)
Mr. Rohrbach addresses the Court as 'your Honor' during a formal legal proceeding.
The document discusses 'the sexual conduct she says occurred with Mr. Epstein'.
Key Quotes (3)
"That's correct, your Honor."Source
— MR. ROHRBACH
(In response to the Court's summary of his argument about the legality of sexual conduct mentioned in the indictment.)
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"If I may make just one other point, your Honor, related to this, which is that, given that we've charged this as a -- minor Victim 2 is only charged in the conspiracy counts of the indictment."Source
— MR. ROHRBACH
(Introducing a legal point about the specific charges against 'minor Victim 2' to support his argument.)
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Quote #2
"The only fear of confusion is if they think that you've established the illegal sexual"Source
— THE COURT
(Expressing concern that the jury might be confused by the legal arguments being presented.)
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Case 1:20-cr-00330-PAE Document 739 Filed 08/10/22 Page 36 of 43 36
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1 illegal sexual activity, as the government has charged in the
2 indictment." So it sounds to me, from what you're saying, is
3 that the first part of that sentence may be factually in
4 dispute. But the key, I think, goes to the latter part of the
5 sentence, which is that the sexual conduct she says occurred
6 with Mr. Epstein was not illegal sexual activity as the
7 government has charged in the indictment. You agree with that.
8 MR. ROHRBACH: That's correct, your Honor.
9 THE COURT: So let me work on this one, and I'll
10 propose -- I mean, I'll put out a new proposal after I've had
11 some time to absorb.
12 MR. ROHRBACH: If I may make just one other point,
13 your Honor, related to this, which is that, given that we've
14 charged this as a -- minor Victim 2 is only charged in the
15 conspiracy counts of the indictment. And so whether or not
16 events that took place in New Mexico constitute illegal sexual
17 activity within the meaning of the Mann Act doesn't bear on
18 whether there was an independent to engage -- sorry. It bears
19 on whether there was an intent to engage in illegal sexual
20 activity in New York but only insofar as that sexual activity
21 in New Mexico would satisfy the New York definition of --
22 THE COURT: Yes.
23 MR. ROHRBACH: And so whether or not --
24 THE COURT: I understand. The only fear of confusion
25 is if they think that you've established the illegal sexual
2 indictment." So it sounds to me, from what you're saying, is
3 that the first part of that sentence may be factually in
4 dispute. But the key, I think, goes to the latter part of the
5 sentence, which is that the sexual conduct she says occurred
6 with Mr. Epstein was not illegal sexual activity as the
7 government has charged in the indictment. You agree with that.
8 MR. ROHRBACH: That's correct, your Honor.
9 THE COURT: So let me work on this one, and I'll
10 propose -- I mean, I'll put out a new proposal after I've had
11 some time to absorb.
12 MR. ROHRBACH: If I may make just one other point,
13 your Honor, related to this, which is that, given that we've
14 charged this as a -- minor Victim 2 is only charged in the
15 conspiracy counts of the indictment. And so whether or not
16 events that took place in New Mexico constitute illegal sexual
17 activity within the meaning of the Mann Act doesn't bear on
18 whether there was an independent to engage -- sorry. It bears
19 on whether there was an intent to engage in illegal sexual
20 activity in New York but only insofar as that sexual activity
21 in New Mexico would satisfy the New York definition of --
22 THE COURT: Yes.
23 MR. ROHRBACH: And so whether or not --
24 THE COURT: I understand. The only fear of confusion
25 is if they think that you've established the illegal sexual
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