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Case 2:10-cr-00338-PAB-N Document 646-120 Filed 03/24/12 Page 189 of 767
A-5657

February 15, 2012
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v.
PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL.,

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1 A. I understood that, sir.
2 Q. And did you know in March of 2011 that your husband had
3 been in fact arrested and convicted a number of times?
4 A. Yes, sir.
5 Q. And did you know that he had been sentenced to prison in
6 1980 for receiving stolen property?
7 A. No, not 1980.
8 Q. Did you know that in 1981 he had been convicted of
9 possession of a controlled substance?
10 A. Sir, I don't know the dates. I thought it was in the '70s.
11 I'm not sure.
12 Q. Did you know that he had been convicted of a probation
13 violation and of making terroristic threats?
14 A. That might have been '93. Vaguely I remember.
15 Q. Did you know that he'd been indicted for check fraud and
16 unlawful possession of weapons?
17 A. That was in Manhattanville, Kentucky in like 1976 when he
18 tried to board an airplane with a gun.
19 Q. So that's not the incident in August of 1985 in New Jersey?
20 A. Sir, I was ten years old probably then. I don't know. I
21 can't tell you.
22 Q. Was he indicted a second time for receiving stolen property
23 and burglary?
24 A. Sir, I don't know.
25 Q. Did he get 18 months in prison in 1993 for harassment,

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1 burglary and terroristic threats?
2 A. I don't know.
3 Q. Did you know that he was convicted for auto theft and
4 served, got a ten-year prison sentence for that?
5 A. No. Seven years, seven months.
6 Q. Served seven years and seven months.
7 A. Paroled out, yes.
8 Q. Did you know him while he was in prison?
9 A. No.
10 Q. You met him afterwards?
11 A. Yes, sir.
12 Q. And he disclosed his criminal history to you?
13 A. Yes.
14 MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor, to marital
15 communications.
16 THE COURT: I'll sustain any further inquiry along
17 that line.
18 Q. And you concealed your knowledge about your husband's
19 criminal career in order to make sure that you would get a seat
20 on this jury, is that correct?
21 A. Yes, I concealed his career.
22 Q. Does your father work for the Justice Department right now?
23 A. Yes, sir.
24 Q. How old is he?
25 A. On March 1 he'll be 80. And I remember specifically that

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1 voir dire commenced a year ago on March 1, because that was his
2 birthday.
3 Q. Now, another question that was asked of the whole panel was
4 whether you or a close relative had ever been involved in or
5 appeared as a witness in a variety of types of investigations
6 including investigations by licensing authorities.
7 A. Yes, sir. And in retrospect, I should have mentioned the
8 disciplinary committee proceeding. I didn't just connect the
9 two at that time. And that was obviously a pertinent issue
10 that should have been raised.
11 Q. I see. So on March 1st or 2nd, you didn't think about the
12 fact that you'd participated in a disciplinary proceeding?
13 A. Please say it again.
14 Q. When you were testifying as a juror, potential juror here
15 on March 1 and 2nd, you weren't thinking about the fact that
16 you had participated in disciplinary proceedings?
17 A. No. I thought about testifying in my mind about having my
18 personal injury case and more along those lines. No, it didn't
19 occur to me.
20 Q. Even though you had filed your petition for reinstatement a
21 day or two before that?
22 A. I just didn't look at it that way.
23 Q. You believed that by serving on this jury you could get
24 some measure of vindication for yourself, didn't you?
25 A. Not at all. Vindication for what?

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1 Q. You believed that you could somehow vindicate yourself as
2 having done something worthwhile after a career that was in
3 disgrace at that point?
4 A. Are you trying to say that serving three months on a jury
5 is akin to some sort of penance? I don't understand really
6 what you're trying to tell me. It was my civic duty, which I
7 performed to the best of my capability and ability and I
8 believe I did it fairly, justly and unbiased.
9 Q. Was it your civic duty to perjure yourself in this court?
10 A. It's nobody's.
11 Q. So you didn't really do your civic duty, did you?
12 A. Of course. Rendering the just verdict in an unbiased
13 fashion, I certainly did.
14 Q. If you were on trial for a crime, would you want to know
15 that one of the jurors who was judging the credibility of
16 witnesses and had your fate in his or her hands had perjured
17 themselves repeatedly at voir dire? Would you want to know
18 that?
19 MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor.
20 THE COURT: Overruled.
21 A. Probably not, if I was a good criminal.
22 MR. GAIR: Your Honor, this would be a good place to
23 break.
24 THE COURT: All right. We're going to take a
25 ten-minute recess and then we'll reconvene and endeavor to

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