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8
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Organizations
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Email
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Summary
This document is an email from Joscha Bach to Jeffrey Epstein, dated shortly after July 10, 2016. Bach thanks Epstein for his support and provides commentary on fascism, Jeffrey's 'political incorrectness', and a 'Forbidden Research conference.' He also offers a detailed critique of Joi Ito's communication style, alleging that Ito has others write his work for him.
People (8)
| Name | Role | Context |
|---|---|---|
| Joscha Bach | Sender/Author |
Author of both the main email and the quoted email. He discusses fascism, Joi Ito's communication style, and a past i...
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| Jeffrey | Recipient |
Recipient of the email from Joscha Bach. The document's context strongly implies this is Jeffrey Epstein. Joscha than...
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| Joi | Subject of analysis |
Likely Joi Ito. Described by Joscha as having 'remarkable public communication skills,' sanitizing controversial topi...
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| Noam | Academic/Figure |
Likely Noam Chomsky. Mentioned in the quoted email as someone Joscha 'triggered' during a discussion. Described as 'g...
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| Trump | Political Figure |
Mentioned as a subject of disagreement at the 'Forbidden Research conference'.
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| Elon Musk | Business Magnate |
Mentioned in a quote from a speaker at the 'Forbidden Research conference' who wanted to 'remove "men and Elon Musk f...
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| Philipp K Dick | Author |
Author mentioned for his perspective on fascism, contrasted with Heinlein.
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| Heinlein | Author |
Author of 'Starship Troopers', mentioned for his book's exploration of fascism.
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Organizations (2)
| Name | Type | Context |
|---|---|---|
| Amazon |
Mentioned as the producer of the series 'The Man in the High Castle'.
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| HOUSE_OVERSIGHT |
A document ID in the footer, likely referring to the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Reform, indicating the doc...
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Timeline (2 events)
Prior to 2016-07-10
Attendance at the 'Forbidden Research conference', where discussions included the efficacy of democracy, disagreement with Trump, and calls for more diversity.
Unknown
circa 2016-07-09
Joscha Bach participated in a discussion where he felt he was an 'embarrassment' and made a point that would 'trigger Noam' (Chomsky).
Unknown
Locations (1)
| Location | Context |
|---|---|
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A former Nazi concentration camp that Joscha Bach states he visited five times, which had a 'profound influence' on him.
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Relationships (3)
The document is an email exchange between them. Joscha thanks Jeffrey for his 'support and encouragement'.
Joscha provides a detailed and critical analysis of Joi's public persona and work methods, suggesting close observation.
Joscha recounts a recent discussion where he interacted with 'Noam' and felt he had caused a 'trigger'.
Key Quotes (5)
"I find your "political incorrectness" very fascinating."Source
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"Ideology is like halitosis: easy to see in others, hard in oneself."Source
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"He also asks influential people and smart students or faculty to write parts of his essays and speeches for him. This invests them in his success, especially because he is going to reward and acknowledge them."Source
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"Dear Jeffrey, thank you for your support and encouragement, even where I fail."Source
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"Sorry for being such an embarrassment today. I will spell out today's argument a bit better and cohesive when I get to it. Also, I should have recognized that the main point I tried to make would trigger Noam..."Source
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KZ Buchenwald five times and it had a profound influence on me; we East Germans inoculated ourselves very
thoroughly against fascism), and the general public will not be willing to consider it.
I rather like the treatment Fascism gets in the Amazon Series "The Man in the High Castle", which explores
what would have happened if the Germans and Japanese had won the war: A society that tries to function as a
brutal and ruthlessly efficient machine, eliminating all social and evolutionary slack. It is very dark, but not a
flat caricature of pointless evil for its own sake. Heinlein's late book "Starship Troopers" explores fascism, too,
but unlike Philipp K Dick he does not see it as a form of insanity, but as the most desirable order.
thoroughly against fascism), and the general public will not be willing to consider it.
I rather like the treatment Fascism gets in the Amazon Series "The Man in the High Castle", which explores
what would have happened if the Germans and Japanese had won the war: A society that tries to function as a
brutal and ruthlessly efficient machine, eliminating all social and evolutionary slack. It is very dark, but not a
flat caricature of pointless evil for its own sake. Heinlein's late book "Starship Troopers" explores fascism, too,
but unlike Philipp K Dick he does not see it as a form of insanity, but as the most desirable order.
I find your "political incorrectness" very fascinating. In the beginning, I thought it is a form of costly signaling,
but now I think you are simply entirely unconstrained in your thoughts. How did you manage in your youth?
Did you get in trouble, or did you keep your thoughts to yourself? I wonder what kind of person you want to
transform into.
but now I think you are simply entirely unconstrained in your thoughts. How did you manage in your youth?
Did you get in trouble, or did you keep your thoughts to yourself? I wonder what kind of person you want to
transform into.
It was interesting to notice that at the Forbidden Research conference, nobody managed to say anything
remotely out-of line. One large discussion group wanted to address the question of whether "democracy still
works", and mostly expressed their disagreement with Trump. Ideology is like halitosis: easy to see in others,
hard in oneself. A speaker felt that the media "stifle all criticism of Trump", another wanted to remove "men
and Elon Musk from government", and everybody strongly agreed that we need more diversity everywhere.
remotely out-of line. One large discussion group wanted to address the question of whether "democracy still
works", and mostly expressed their disagreement with Trump. Ideology is like halitosis: easy to see in others,
hard in oneself. A speaker felt that the media "stifle all criticism of Trump", another wanted to remove "men
and Elon Musk from government", and everybody strongly agreed that we need more diversity everywhere.
I noticed some time ago that Joi has remarkable public communication skills. He picks controversial, insight-
laden topics, but sanitizes them by carefully replacing the parts of content that would divide his audience with
symbolic messages that everybody can fill with their own content in a way that resonates with them. The non-
controversial parts will still be insightful. He manages to come across as very subversive, while rarely
offending anyone (except the hard scientists, that miss hard substance).
He also asks influential people and smart students or faculty to write parts of his essays and speeches for him.
This invests them in his success, especially because he is going to reward and acknowledge them. Very few of
his ideas are original, instead he is good at identifying and testing thoughts he reads or hears from others.
laden topics, but sanitizes them by carefully replacing the parts of content that would divide his audience with
symbolic messages that everybody can fill with their own content in a way that resonates with them. The non-
controversial parts will still be insightful. He manages to come across as very subversive, while rarely
offending anyone (except the hard scientists, that miss hard substance).
He also asks influential people and smart students or faculty to write parts of his essays and speeches for him.
This invests them in his success, especially because he is going to reward and acknowledge them. Very few of
his ideas are original, instead he is good at identifying and testing thoughts he reads or hears from others.
I am still beset by the ruinous instinct that the goal of communication ought to be mutual understanding. Joi is
right. Public communication is about reaching one's goals.
right. Public communication is about reaching one's goals.
Bests,
Joscha
On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 12:42 AM, Joscha Bach <[REDACTED]> wrote:
Dear Jeffrey,
Dear Jeffrey,
thank you for your support and encouragement, even where I fail.
Sorry for being such an embarrassment today. I will spell out today's argument a bit better and cohesive when
I get to it. Also, I should have recognized that the main point I tried to make would trigger Noam (who was as
always very generous, patient, kind and humble on the personal level, even though he did not feel like
conceding anything on the conceptual one). Almost all of Noam's work focused on the idea that humans have
very specific circuits or modules (even when most people in his field began to have other ideas), and his
frustration is that it is so hard to find or explain them.
Sorry for being such an embarrassment today. I will spell out today's argument a bit better and cohesive when
I get to it. Also, I should have recognized that the main point I tried to make would trigger Noam (who was as
always very generous, patient, kind and humble on the personal level, even though he did not feel like
conceding anything on the conceptual one). Almost all of Noam's work focused on the idea that humans have
very specific circuits or modules (even when most people in his field began to have other ideas), and his
frustration is that it is so hard to find or explain them.
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