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Events
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Summary
This document is a transcript of a legal proceeding, likely a deposition, involving Ghislaine Maxwell, where she is questioned by David Markus and Todd Blanche. The discussion centers on allegations against Mr. Epstein, including fraud, blackmail, the sexual abuse of young women, and the use of video surveillance in his various properties (New York, Caribbean, Palm Beach, New Mexico, Paris) and on his plane for blackmail purposes. Maxwell denies direct knowledge of fraud or witnessing blackmail but offers definitions of what she considers appropriate and inappropriate surveillance.
People (4)
| Name | Role | Context |
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| GHISLAINE MAXWELL | Deponent/Witness |
Answering questions about fraud, blackmail, abuse, and properties.
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| DAVID MARKUS | Interviewer/Attorney |
Asking questions about blackmail.
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| TODD BLANCHE | Interviewer/Attorney |
Asking questions about blackmail, abuse, surveillance, and properties.
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| Mr. Epstein | Subject of discussion |
Alleged to have abused young women, used blackmail, and owned various properties and a plane.
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Organizations (2)
| Name | Type | Context |
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| FBI |
Mentioned in the context of taking photographic evidence seriously.
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| MAGNA LEGAL SERVICES |
Legal transcription service for the document.
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Timeline (7 events)
Discussion about fraud and Ghislaine Maxwell's awareness/involvement.
Discussion about blackmail and whether Ghislaine Maxwell ever saw Mr. Epstein blackmail anyone.
Discussion regarding allegations of abuse by Mr. Epstein, including recruitment of high school women for massages and sexual abuse.
Discussion about potential blackmail by Mr. Epstein using sexual contact with masseuses under 18.
Discussion about Mr. Epstein's alleged use of inappropriate relations with underage girls and video/photographic evidence for blackmail.
Discussion about Mr. Epstein's houses, their decoration, wiring, and potential inappropriate video surveillance in private areas.
Identification of Mr. Epstein's properties: a New York brownstone, a Caribbean island, a Palm Beach residence, a New Mexico ranch, Paris property, and a plane.
Locations (6)
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Physical plant mentioned by Todd Blanche.
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Location of one of Mr. Epstein's houses (brownstone).
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Location of one of Mr. Epstein's islands.
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Location of one of Mr. Epstein's residences.
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Location of one of Mr. Epstein's ranches.
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Location of one of Mr. Epstein's properties.
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Relationships (3)
Maxwell was 'responsible for the staff' related to Epstein, and discussed his alleged activities and properties.
Allegations that he would 'cause young women in high school to be recruited to come to his house and give him massages' and 'sexually abuse them'.
Allegations of sexual contact with masseuses under 18, used for blackmail.
Key Quotes (10)
"If there was fraud, I never saw it."Source
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Quote #1
"I didn't -- I was responsible for the staff. People worked. There were lawyers, there were accountants. I never heard him -- I never -- wit- -- I never felt anything, I don't know, icky."Source
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"Did -- did you ever see him blackmail a --"Source
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Quote #3
"Never."Source
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Quote #4
"the way that I'm defining abuse, as has been widely reported, is that -- that he would cause young women in high school to be recruited to come to his house and give him massages. And a part of -- and the -- and the -- and as part of that, he would sexually abuse them, okay?"Source
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Quote #5
""You have to continue to work with me or you have to give me money, or else I'm going to tell the world that -- that -- that you did this.""Source
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Quote #6
""oh, you know, you had inappropriate relations with an underage girl." If you don't have a video or photograph, photographic evidence, because I -- I'm not sure that even the FBI would take that."Source
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""Hey, you know, look, I've got this video of you doing terrible things and you need to.""Source
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Quote #8
"Inappropriate surveillance would mean in a bathroom, in a bedroom, in any private area of a home."Source
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Quote #9
"I would say I would define "appropriate" surveillance to be the front door of a house, or potentially, as in 71st Street, the physical plant. Anywhere else would be grotesque."Source
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1 say that?
2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I -- let me
3 rephrase that. If there was fraud, I never saw it.
4 What I saw or what I felt when I -- his -- I ran that
5 office. I mean, ran. I didn't -- I was responsible
6 for the staff. People worked. There were lawyers,
7 there were accountants. I never heard him -- I never
8 -- wit- -- I never felt anything, I don't know, icky.
9 DAVID MARKUS: Did -- did you ever see him
10 blackmail a --
11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Never.
12 DAVID MARKUS: -- a client?
13 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No.
14 DAVID MARKUS: Did you ever see him
15 blackmail a -- an -- a friend or an acquaintance?
16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Never.
17 DAVID MARKUS: Okay.
18 TODD BLANCHE: Well, so I think when folks
19 talk about block -- blackmail, and we can talk about
20 -- sorry about that.
21 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry.
22 TODD BLANCHE: We can talk about that now.
23 There are a lot of allegations about him, which
24 we'll -- which we should talk about and we can do
25 that now. And the fact that he abused young women.
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1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes.
2 TODD BLANCHE: Full stop. Okay. Which
3 means, the way that I'm defining abuse, as has been
4 widely reported, is that -- that he would cause young
5 women in high school to be recruited to come to his
6 house and give him massages. And a part of -- and
7 the -- and the -- and as part of that, he would
8 sexually abuse them, okay?
9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes.
10 TODD BLANCHE: So I want to talk about
11 that. But as it relates to blackmail, the question
12 is whether you're aware of any time, that any of the
13 individuals we're talking about, and we'll talk about
14 others, received massages from women who were under
15 18 or may have been under 18.
16 And that whether there was any sexual
17 assaults or sexual contact between any of these
18 people and those masseuses, which would've allowed
19 then, Mr. Epstein, potentially, to blackmail them and
20 say, "You have to continue to work with me or you
21 have to give me money, or else I'm going to tell the
22 world that -- that -- that you did this."
23 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Right. I -- I think
24 this is a really good place to start with how this
25 story began.
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1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay.
2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So even, let's assume
3 that that premise is correct, that he was doing that
4 and he was going to tell everybody, going to say,
5 "oh, you know, you had inappropriate relations with
6 an underage girl." If you don't have a video or
7 photograph, photographic evidence, because I -- I'm
8 not sure that even the FBI would take that. Well,
9 maybe today, but certainly not back then, would take
10 that seriously.
11 So you have to have something to say,
12 "Hey, you know, look, I've got this video of you
13 doing terrible things and you need to." So I built
14 those houses, many of them. I decorated those
15 houses. I put the electricians in for the wiring. I
16 never wired, nor saw, a single house that had any
17 type of inappropriate, let's say, video surveillance.
18 And I'll define that for you.
19 Inappropriate surveillance would mean in a bathroom,
20 in a bedroom, in any private area of a home.
21 TODD BLANCHE: In a room where there were
22 massages given?
23 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Inappropriate. I
24 would say I would define "appropriate" surveillance
25 to be the front door of a house, or potentially, as
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1 in 71st Street, the physical plant. Anywhere else
2 would be grotesque.
3 TODD BLANCHE: So I just want to come back
4 to -- I know I'm just hopefully stating the obvious,
5 but when you say "the houses," you're talking about
6 his New York --
7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes.
8 TODD BLANCHE: -- brownstone?
9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes.
10 TODD BLANCHE: You're talking about the
11 island in -- in the Caribbean?
12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes.
13 TODD BLANCHE: You're talking about the
14 residence in Palm Beach?
15 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes.
16 TODD BLANCHE: And you're talking about
17 the ranch in New Mexico?
18 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes.
19 TODD BLANCHE: Anywhere else?
20 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Paris.
21 TODD BLANCHE: And in Paris. And so --
22 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And the plane. I saw
23 some ridiculous thing with the plane --
24 TODD BLANCHE: And the plane. Okay.
25 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- that was what we're
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1 say that?
2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, I -- let me
3 rephrase that. If there was fraud, I never saw it.
4 What I saw or what I felt when I -- his -- I ran that
5 office. I mean, ran. I didn't -- I was responsible
6 for the staff. People worked. There were lawyers,
7 there were accountants. I never heard him -- I never
8 -- wit- -- I never felt anything, I don't know, icky.
9 DAVID MARKUS: Did -- did you ever see him
10 blackmail a --
11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Never.
12 DAVID MARKUS: -- a client?
13 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No.
14 DAVID MARKUS: Did you ever see him
15 blackmail a -- an -- a friend or an acquaintance?
16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Never.
17 DAVID MARKUS: Okay.
18 TODD BLANCHE: Well, so I think when folks
19 talk about block -- blackmail, and we can talk about
20 -- sorry about that.
21 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry.
22 TODD BLANCHE: We can talk about that now.
23 There are a lot of allegations about him, which
24 we'll -- which we should talk about and we can do
25 that now. And the fact that he abused young women.
Page 75
1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes.
2 TODD BLANCHE: Full stop. Okay. Which
3 means, the way that I'm defining abuse, as has been
4 widely reported, is that -- that he would cause young
5 women in high school to be recruited to come to his
6 house and give him massages. And a part of -- and
7 the -- and the -- and as part of that, he would
8 sexually abuse them, okay?
9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes.
10 TODD BLANCHE: So I want to talk about
11 that. But as it relates to blackmail, the question
12 is whether you're aware of any time, that any of the
13 individuals we're talking about, and we'll talk about
14 others, received massages from women who were under
15 18 or may have been under 18.
16 And that whether there was any sexual
17 assaults or sexual contact between any of these
18 people and those masseuses, which would've allowed
19 then, Mr. Epstein, potentially, to blackmail them and
20 say, "You have to continue to work with me or you
21 have to give me money, or else I'm going to tell the
22 world that -- that -- that you did this."
23 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Right. I -- I think
24 this is a really good place to start with how this
25 story began.
Page 76
1 TODD BLANCHE: Okay.
2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So even, let's assume
3 that that premise is correct, that he was doing that
4 and he was going to tell everybody, going to say,
5 "oh, you know, you had inappropriate relations with
6 an underage girl." If you don't have a video or
7 photograph, photographic evidence, because I -- I'm
8 not sure that even the FBI would take that. Well,
9 maybe today, but certainly not back then, would take
10 that seriously.
11 So you have to have something to say,
12 "Hey, you know, look, I've got this video of you
13 doing terrible things and you need to." So I built
14 those houses, many of them. I decorated those
15 houses. I put the electricians in for the wiring. I
16 never wired, nor saw, a single house that had any
17 type of inappropriate, let's say, video surveillance.
18 And I'll define that for you.
19 Inappropriate surveillance would mean in a bathroom,
20 in a bedroom, in any private area of a home.
21 TODD BLANCHE: In a room where there were
22 massages given?
23 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Inappropriate. I
24 would say I would define "appropriate" surveillance
25 to be the front door of a house, or potentially, as
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1 in 71st Street, the physical plant. Anywhere else
2 would be grotesque.
3 TODD BLANCHE: So I just want to come back
4 to -- I know I'm just hopefully stating the obvious,
5 but when you say "the houses," you're talking about
6 his New York --
7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes.
8 TODD BLANCHE: -- brownstone?
9 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes.
10 TODD BLANCHE: You're talking about the
11 island in -- in the Caribbean?
12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes.
13 TODD BLANCHE: You're talking about the
14 residence in Palm Beach?
15 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes.
16 TODD BLANCHE: And you're talking about
17 the ranch in New Mexico?
18 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes.
19 TODD BLANCHE: Anywhere else?
20 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Paris.
21 TODD BLANCHE: And in Paris. And so --
22 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And the plane. I saw
23 some ridiculous thing with the plane --
24 TODD BLANCHE: And the plane. Okay.
25 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- that was what we're
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