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2 UNITED STATES GRAND JURY
3 SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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5 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA :
6 -v- : August 2018
: Additional
7 JEFFREY EPSTEIN,
: Defendant.
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10 UNITED STATES COURTHOUSE
11 40 Foley Square
12 New York, New York 10007
13 July 2, 2019
14 12:43 p.m.
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16 APPEARANCES:
17 [Redacted] ESQ.
18 Assistant United States Attorney
19 [Redacted] ESQ.
20 Assistant United States Attorney
21 [Redacted] ESQ.
22 Assistant United States Attorney
23 [Redacted]
24 Acting Grand Jury Reporter
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2 (Colloquy Precedes.)
3 (Witness Enters Room.)
4 (Time noted: 12:47 p.m.)
5 [Redacted] called as a witness, having
6 been first duly sworn by the Foreperson of the Grand
7 Jury, was examined and testified as follows:
8 EXAMINATION
9 BY MS. [Redacted]:
10 Q. Could you please state and spell your name for
11 the record?
12 A. [Redacted]
13 Q. Good afternoon, Special Agent [Redacted]
14 A. Good afternoon.
15 Q. Where do you work?
16 A. The FBI.
17 Q. What's your title at the FBI?
18 A. Special agent.
19 Q. How long have you worked as a special agent
20 for the FBI?
21 A. For over two years now.
22 Q. Did you testify before this grand jury on
23 June 18th, 2019?
24 A. I did.
25 Q. Can you just remind the grand jury about your
26 background? What types of work do you do at the FBI?
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2 A. I work on the Violent Crimes Against Children
3 Squad, so we work child exploitation, human
4 trafficking, and international parental kidnapping
5 matters.
6 Q. Have you participated in an investigation of
7 Jeffrey Epstein and his associates?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. Have you spoken to other people, including
10 other law enforcement officers, about this
11 investigation?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. Have you reviewed reports and documents
14 prepared by others regarding this case?
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. And is your testimony today based in part on
17 those conversations with other law enforcement officers
18 and documents that you have reviewed?
19 A. Yes.
20 MS. [Redacted]: Ladies and gentlemen, some of the
21 testimony that you're going to hear today will
22 include hearsay. As you know, that means that the
23 witness will not be testifying solely from her own
24 observations, but that she'll also be reporting
25 what others have told her and what she's read in
26 reports and documents prepared by others.
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2 As you know, hearsay evidence is admissible in
3 these grand jury proceedings, and you're free to
4 rely on it in determining whether there is
5 probable cause to indict the proposed defendant.
6 If, however, you would like to hear the
7 testimony of any other witness, you have the right
8 to request it, and we will make reasonable efforts
9 to bring that witness before you.
10 BY MS. [Redacted]:
11 Q. So, Special Agent [Redacted] I placed in front of
12 you a stack of exhibits. I want to talk through them
13 now one by one.
14 We were discussing earlier that you recall
15 testifying before this grand jury on June 18, 2019; is
16 that correct?
17 A. Yes.
18 Q. So, I placed in front of you what's marked as
19 Grand Jury Exhibit 3. Is that a fair and accurate
20 transcript of your testimony on that date?
21 A. Yes.
22 Q. I've also placed in front of you Grand Jury
23 Exhibit 1. Is that a PowerPoint presentation that you
24 reviewed with this grand jury on June 18th, 2019?
25 A. Yes.
26 Q. So picking up where we left off last time, I
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2 want to follow up regarding the presentation. If you
3 could turn to page 28 of that presentation.
4 Now, Special Agent [Redacted] do you recall
5 testifying about your interviews with a young woman
6 named [Redacted]?
7 A. Yes.
8 Q. And do you recall that there was a question
9 from the grand jury about the date on one of the slides
10 in this presentation?
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. Just want to follow up on that. So on this
13 page, just to orient ourselves, do you recall
14 testifying about phone records of a call between a
15 phone number subscribed to [Redacted] and [Redacted]
16 [Redacted]'s cell phone on January 3rd?
17 A. Yes.
18 Q. Have you reviewed the underlying phone records
19 that are excerpted in this slide?
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. Is the call highlighted on this slide from
22 January 3rd, 2005?
23 A. Yes.
24 Q. Directing your attention to the top of the
25 slide where it says 2004, is that a typo?
26 A. Yes.
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2 Q. Have you confirmed that the underlying records
3 are, in fact, from January 3rd, 2005?
4 A. Yes.
5 Q. Turning to the next slide, on page 29. So the
6 header on this slide is January 4, 2005. Is that the
7 same date that's on the deposit slip excerpted in that
8 slide?
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. So does the date on this slide accurately
11 reflect the date on the deposit slip?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. So when you testified that based on the phone
14 records we just discussed and this deposit slip, that
15 it appears that they were on back-to-back days, was
16 that in fact accurate?
17 A. Yes.
18 Q. All right. So I want to switch gears now and
19 ask you, do you recall testifying before this grand
20 jury regarding a woman named [Redacted]?
21 A. Yes.
22 Q. If you could turn now to what's before you and
23 marked Grand Jury Exhibit 4. Do you recognize this?
24 A. Yes.
25 Q. What is this document?
26 A. So this is a list of messages that to -- that
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2 appear to be left for Jeffrey Epstein.
3 Q. Taking a step back for a moment, how did the
4 FBI obtain this document?
5 A. We received this from the Palm Beach Police
6 Department.
7 Q. What is your understanding, based on your
8 review of law enforcement reports and your review of
9 the case file, of how the Palm Beach Police Department
10 obtained this document?
11 A. They would have received it from a trash pull.
12 So a trash pull is, one of the detectives had gone to
13 the residence and went through the trash that was left
14 on the curb.
15 Q. Is this document from one of those trash
16 pulls?
17 A. Yes.
18 Q. Approximately when was this pulled from the
19 trash, based on your review of law enforcement reports?
20 A. April 13, 2005.
21 Q. In a previous presentation, you discussed a
22 number of residences. Do you know specifically where
23 this was pulled from the trash?
24 A. The Palm Beach residence.
25 Q. Did you personally participate in gathering
26 this evidence?
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2 A. I was not a part of the trash pull, but I have
3 received the evidence since.
4 Q. So let's talk through this document.
5 Looking first at the first page at the top,
6 what does this document appear to be?
7 A. It's records listed for Jeffrey Epstein,
8 4/11/2005 to 4/11/2005.
9 Q. What are the fields at the top?
10 A. So the left side has who it's from, the middle
11 has the message, and then on the right it has -- some
12 of them have phone numbers listed.
13 Q. Does the name [Redacted] appear in this document?
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. Let's turn to the fourth page of this
16 document. Focusing on the last line, do you see where
17 it says callers?
18 A. Yes.
19 Q. What is listed in the field to the right?
20 A. It lists [Redacted]
21 [Redacted]
22 Q. Turning to page 2 of this document, focusing
23 on the bottom three lines, can you point out to the
24 grand jury where you see the name [Redacted] at the bottom
25 of this document?
26 A. So [Redacted] is listed twice.
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2 [Redacted] (Indicating.)
3 Q. What are the messages to the right of the name
4 [Redacted]?
5 A. The first message lists, I'm back in New York.
6 Q. What's the second one?
7 A. [Redacted] is back.
8 Q. Is there a phone number listed next to the
9 message?
10 A. Yes.
11 Q. And what is the area code for that phone
12 number?
13 A. [Redacted]
14 Q. Does that appear to be a New York City area
15 code?
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. In your interviews with [Redacted] have
18 you asked her whether or not she recognizes this phone
19 number?
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. What did she tell you?
22 A. She did not recognize it.
23 Q. What, if anything, did she tell you about the
24 phones that she was using during this time period?
25 A. She said that she was using a lot of different
26 phones, that she'd gone a lot of different places, so
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2 she didn't recall all the numbers that she had used in
3 the past.
4 Q. Have you obtained phone records for this phone
5 number?
6 A. Yes.
7 Q. Who was listed for the subscriber in 2005?
8 A. It came back to an individual in Maspeth.
9 Q. Based on your participation in this
10 investigation, does that particular individual have any
11 significance to this investigation, as far as you can
12 tell?
13 A. No.
14 Q. If these messages had been left by [Redacted] in
15 New York, would some type of communication have had to
16 occur across state lines in order for these messages to
17 have been found in Florida?
18 A. Yes.
19 Q. Do you recall testifying about [Redacted] and
20 [Redacted] having remembered receiving phone calls
21 from Epstein's assistant, [Redacted]?
22 A. Yes.
23 Q. Did they recall that occasionally when they
24 would get phone calls from [Redacted] that she would say
25 that she was calling from New York?
26 A. Yes.
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2 Q. If [Redacted] and [Redacted] were in Florida when they
3 got those calls and those calls had, in fact, been
4 placed from New York, would those calls have traveled
5 across state lines?
6 A. Yes.
7 Q. A few final questions about [Redacted]
8 In your conversations with her, did she ever describe
9 to you receiving phone calls regarding the massages
10 that she was scheduling?
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. Who would call her?
13 A. [Redacted].
14 Q. Did she recall speaking to anyone else on the
15 phone?
16 A. Epstein.
17 Q. And did she explain the context in which she
18 would receive calls and speak to Epstein?
19 A. Yes. She said that when she spoke with
20 Epstein on the phone, it would always be through
21 [Redacted]. So [Redacted] would contact her and then put him
22 on the phone to speak with her.
23 Q. What was her understanding of who [Redacted] was?
24 A. His assistant.
25 Q. In these conversations with [Redacted] and
26 Epstein, did [Redacted] recall whether or not either of
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2 them had ever asked her to bring a particular girl to
3 the house?
4 A. Yes.
5 Q. Did she recall whether [Redacted] ever asked her
6 to bring a particular girl?
7 A. Yes.
8 Q. What does she remember about that?
9 A. That [Redacted] would ask her, do you have this
10 particular girl or can this girl come tonight or on
11 whatever day that they had chosen.
12 Q. When she would speak with Epstein on the
13 phone, did she recall whether or not Epstein would ever
14 ask her to bring a particular girl?
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. What did she remember about that?
17 A. Along the same lines, can you bring this girl.
18 Q. Just one moment.
19 Special Agent [Redacted] have you told the grand
20 jury everything that you know about this case, or have
21 you just answered the questions that I've asked?
22 A. I've just answered the questions you've asked.
23 Q. When you testified about the documents you
24 reviewed or the conversations that you had with others,
25 were you testifying to the exact words that were used
26 or just the substance of the documents or
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2 conversations?
3 A. Substance.
4 Q. Are you willing to return to the grand jury if
5 the grand jury has any further questions for you?
6 A. Yes.
7 MS. [Redacted]: With the Foreperson's permission, I
8 would ask that Special Agent [Redacted] be excused.
9 THE FOREPERSON: You're excused.
10 (Witness Excused.)
11 (Time noted: 1:00 p.m.)
12 (Colloquy Follows.)
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2 CERTIFICATE
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10 I, [Redacted], hereby certify
11 that the foregoing is a true and accurate
12 transcript, to the best of my skill and ability,
13 from my stenographic notes of this proceeding.
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20 Active Grand Jury Reporter
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