Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf

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United States Department of Justice
INTERVIEW OF: GHISLAINE MAXWELL
DATE: July 24, 2025
APPEARANCES:
For the United States:
Todd Blanche, Deputy Attorney General
Diego Pestana, Acting Associate Deputy
Attorney General
Spencer Horn, FBI Special Agent
Mark Beard, Deputy U.S. Marshal
For Ghislaine Maxwell:
David Markus
Leah Saffian
Melissa Madrigal
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TODD BLANCHE: I am going to ask everybody
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to put their name on the record here.
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SPENCER HORN: Good morning. My name is
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Assistant Special Agent in Charge, Spencer Horn of
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FBI, New York.
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Today we're doing a proffer of
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Ms. Maxwell. The date is July 24th and the time is
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10:12 a.m. This interview is being recorded.
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TODD BLANCHE: And my name is Todd
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Blanche. I'm the Deputy Attorney General. And
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before we start formally asking questions of
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Ms. Maxwell, I'm going to put on the record everybody
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that's in this room, in addition to me, starting with
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you, Diego.
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DIEGO PESTANA: Diego Pestana, Associate
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Deputy Attorney General.
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TODD BLANCHE: And then you heard from
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Special Agent in Charge Horn. Mark Beard from the
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United States Marshal Service is here as well.
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And then David.
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DAVID MARKUS: Yes. This is David Oscar
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Markus, and I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell.
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LEAH SAFFIAN: My name is Leah Saffian and
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I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell.
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MELISSA MADRIGAL: My name is
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Melissa Madrigal and I'm counsel for Ghislaine
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Maxwell.
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TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead.
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GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I'm -- I'm
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Ghislaine Maxwell.
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TODD BLANCHE: Good morning, Ms. Maxwell.
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How are you?
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GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Good morning,
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Mr. Blanche.
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TODD BLANCHE: Good. Okay. So before we
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started recording, we met for a few minutes. I
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introduced myself and we -- we've chatted and now
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I've told you that we were going on the record. And
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before we start asking questions, I know that you've
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been given, by your lawyer, a copy of what's called a
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proffer agreement.
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And I just want to spend two minutes
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making sure that you understand what -- what governs
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our conversation today. The most important part of
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this agreement is that this isn't a cooperation
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agreement, meaning that by you meeting with us today,
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we're really just meeting, I'm not promising to do
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anything.
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I'm not promising to ask Judge Nathan or
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any of the judges that's been assigned to your case
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to do anything. It -- we're just talking. And so
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that's the most important -- important part of -- of
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this agreement.
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However, almost as important is the fact
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that what this agreement does for you is it gives you
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protection. So what it means is that the government
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cannot use what you say today against you, with some
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exceptions, which we'll talk about in a minute.
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But whatever you talk about today, you
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have what's called immunity. So that means that the
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words that you say today, we cannot use against you
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in a case in chief, if we were ever to bring one.
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Okay?
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GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Thank you.
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TODD BLANCHE: All right. There's
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exceptions to that. The most meaningful one of which
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is that, if you say something today that's not true,
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that's a lie, we can bring a prosecution against you
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for what's called false statements.
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So I'm a federal officer, I have several
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officers here. The FBI is here. And if -- if you
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lie to someone that's -- like me or like Special
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Agent Horn, it's a crime. So you have to be
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truthful.
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The other exception to this, that doesn't
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necessarily apply directly to you, but if there ever
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was a retrial in your case, or if there ever was a --
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a criminal case -- a future criminal case against
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you, and your lawyer or you said something different
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or took a position that's different than what you say
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today, we can then cross examine you or a witness,
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based upon what you say today.
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So it's a little bit nuanced, meaning I
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can't use what you say against you in our case in
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chief. However, if you were to testify or if your
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lawyer called a witness to testify, and they said
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something that is totally different than what you say
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today, we could then cross examine you or the witness
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and say, hey, do you remember when we met with
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Ms. Wax -- when we met with Ms. Maxwell back in July
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of 2025? She told us and then say what she said.
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Okay?
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GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I understand.
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TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Other than that,
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you -- I -- I know you didn't have a lot of time this
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morning to meet with -- with -- with Mr. Markus, but
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did -- did you have a chance to go over this briefly
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with him?
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