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Summary
This document is a page from a court transcript (Case 1:20-cr-00330-PAE, US v. Ghislaine Maxwell) filed on August 10, 2022. Defense attorney Mr. Pagliuca argues against the admissibility of certain phone records/notes (specifically mentioning one labeled 'JE Natasha'), claiming they lack reliability, dates, and signatures, and do not meet the business record exception. Prosecutor Ms. Moe counters that the records are valid to show who called 'the house' and when, noting that witnesses have corroborated names found in these records.
People (7)
| Name | Role | Context |
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| Hesse | Witness |
Name appears in the header 'Hesse - direct', indicating direct examination or testimony related to this person.
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| The Court | Judge |
Presiding over the proceedings, asking Mr. Pagliuca if he has another point.
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| Mr. Pagliuca | Defense Attorney |
Arguing against the admissibility/reliability of certain records, citing lack of identification.
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| Ms. Menninger | Defense Attorney |
Mentioned by Mr. Pagliuca as having made a good point regarding the records.
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| Ms. Moe | Prosecutor/Government Attorney |
Arguing for the admissibility of the records to show who was calling the house.
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| JE | Subject of Record |
Initials mentioned in a specific record 'JE Natasha', likely referring to Jeffrey Epstein.
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| Natasha | Subject of Record |
Name mentioned in a specific record 'JE Natasha'.
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Organizations (2)
| Name | Type | Context |
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| Southern District Reporters, P.C. |
Listed in the footer.
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| DOJ |
Department of Justice, referenced in the Bates stamp DOJ-OGR-00013360.
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Timeline (2 events)
August 10, 2022
Court Filing Date
Southern District of New York (implied by Southern District Reporters)
Unknown (Trial Date)
Legal argument regarding the 'business record exception' and admissibility of phone logs/notes.
Courtroom
Locations (1)
| Location | Context |
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Referenced by Ms. Moe as the location receiving calls ('show who was calling the house').
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Relationships (2)
Pagliuca states 'Ms. Menninger makes a good point' while arguing the same side.
Key Quotes (4)
"Here, we don't have many instances, anything other than JE Natasha - this is the 2D that I'm looking at - and then a phone number with no date and no signature on it."Source
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"So there are many of these throughout that simply don't have any indicia of reliability or satisfy even the minimum requirements for the business record exception."Source
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"the issue here is whether they can be offered to show who was calling the house, the dates and times of those calls."Source
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"two witnesses have testified that a person with a first and last name appearing in these records, in fact, called the house and was there during this time period."Source
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Case 1:20-cr-00330-PAE Document 755 Filed 08/10/22 Page 82 of 262 1787
LC8Cmax3 Hesse - direct
LC8Cmax3 Hesse - direct
1 records, which I think these are those kinds of records, are
2 redacted and you get -- there is a very limited range of
3 information on the record.
4 THE COURT: You were handed a note. Do you have
5 another point?
6 MR. PAGLIUCA: Yes, and Ms. Menninger makes a good
7 point. Police officers, for example, or hospital folks
8 typically get identification when they're recording this
9 information, so they actually know who's speaking to them, and
10 that is some circumstantial trustworthiness at least of ID or
11 something like that. Here, we don't have many instances,
12 anything other than JE Natasha - this is the 2D that I'm
13 looking at - and then a phone number with no date and no
14 signature on it.
15 So there are many of these throughout that simply
16 don't have any indicia of reliability or satisfy even the
17 minimum requirements for the business record exception.
18 MS. MOE: Your Honor, I think the Court has it exactly
19 right, that the issue here is whether they can be offered to
20 show who was calling the house, the dates and times of those
21 calls. That's the purpose for which these are being offered.
22 With respect to other indicators of trustworthiness,
23 now two witnesses have testified that a person with a first and
24 last name appearing in these records, in fact, called the house
25 and was there during this time period. It would be exceedingly
2 redacted and you get -- there is a very limited range of
3 information on the record.
4 THE COURT: You were handed a note. Do you have
5 another point?
6 MR. PAGLIUCA: Yes, and Ms. Menninger makes a good
7 point. Police officers, for example, or hospital folks
8 typically get identification when they're recording this
9 information, so they actually know who's speaking to them, and
10 that is some circumstantial trustworthiness at least of ID or
11 something like that. Here, we don't have many instances,
12 anything other than JE Natasha - this is the 2D that I'm
13 looking at - and then a phone number with no date and no
14 signature on it.
15 So there are many of these throughout that simply
16 don't have any indicia of reliability or satisfy even the
17 minimum requirements for the business record exception.
18 MS. MOE: Your Honor, I think the Court has it exactly
19 right, that the issue here is whether they can be offered to
20 show who was calling the house, the dates and times of those
21 calls. That's the purpose for which these are being offered.
22 With respect to other indicators of trustworthiness,
23 now two witnesses have testified that a person with a first and
24 last name appearing in these records, in fact, called the house
25 and was there during this time period. It would be exceedingly
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
(212) 805-0300
(212) 805-0300
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