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1 that he also very much liked Ivana, because she was
2 also from Czechoslovakia where my dad was from.
3 So I don't -- I don't remember if I did
4 meet him or not in 1990 with my dad, but I knew that
5 that's how I knew about, -- about Mr. Trump.
6 TODD BLANCHE: And this was before you
7 met --
8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: This was before I met
9 Mr. Epstein.
10 TODD BLANCHE: -- Mr. Epstein?
11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes.
12 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. All right.
13 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So I was already going
14 backwards and forwards in America. And then in April
15 of 1991, I came to New York, but, I can't remember
16 for what reason what business reason, but there
17 was a business reason something to do with my dad
18 at that time.
19 And a girlfriend of mine who an
20 American, told me I -- I -- I had broken up with my
21 long -- I'd been engaged, getting my the very
22 long-term boyfriend and we'd broken up.
23 And she said, I've got -- you know, as
24 your girlfriends do, I've got a guy for you to meet.
25 And I was like, who is it? And she goes, it's --
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1 he's been dating my sister. You'll love him. He's
2 looking for a wife. I'm edging towards 30. I don't
3 need to tell you guys, That's a very important moment
4 for a girl to, like, think about important things.
5 And sure, I'd be happy to meet him.
6 And so sometime in 1991 now. We are in
7 1991, I met him at his offices in on Madison
8 Garden. And I think the most memorable thing I can
9 think about that is he was wearing a tie, which he
10 didn't often do. It had a giant, seemed like a
11 ketchup stain on it. So I was like, wow, okay. And
12 that was how we met.
13 TODD BLANCHE: Was your meeting at his
14 office for you to meet him just personally or were
15 you -- were you there for --
16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I was just --
17 TODD BLANCHE: -- work related reasons?
18 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No. I-- I knew
19 nothing about him.
20 TODD BLANCHE: Okay.
21 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I -- he just invited
22 me to come and have tea, and I was like tea, that's
23 English. Okay. But what was unusual, was in his
24 offices. So I went to his offices and we met. And I
25 found him very engaging and that was that.
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1 TODD BLANCHE: So -- okay. So that's how
2 you meet him. So we and again, I don't want to
3 spend a lot of time, you know, on on this
4 particular issue, but what happened with your
5 relationship over the years, from the time you meet
6 him in 1991, up until the time he -- he passed away?
7 DAVID MARKUS: Just give the highlights.
8 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay, the highlights.
9 So I -- I was looking for real estate for my dad to
10 buy some, and Epstein told me that he was also
11 looking to move from his apartment and would I help
12 him? And I -- I said, sure I'm looking already so I
13 could look for him. So that's how it started.
14 And then, in 1991, my father passed away
15 and I returned to New York after that, originally to
16 come back and help with the family businesses, which
17 was McMillan.
18 And then the debacle of my father's
19 passing hit the family. And -- and we lost all our
20 businesses and my family thought that it would be
21 best if I stayed in America, because of the intensity
22 of the press and the drama surrounding my father's
23 death in England
24 So I stayed and Epstein said, well, you
25 can keep helping me. You can help me find a house and
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1 we can decorate the house. And it gave me something
2 to do.
3 TODD BLANCHE: Were you in a romantic
4 relationship with him at this point or just friends?
5 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: No, just friends.
6 TODD BLANCHE: And while we're just
7 with respect to your father, there have been multiple
8 questions about whether he worked for any
9 intelligence agency.
10 Do you have any knowledge about that?
11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I think -- well
12 certainly my father had a background in intelligence
13 during -- because he was I believe he did in the
14 second World War. He was an intelli- -- a British
15 intelligence officer. I think that, my sort of
16 belief is that once you've been an intelligence
17 officer, you're kind of -- always; it doesn't mean
18 that you're formally employed.
19 So I don't think my dad in any formal
20 sense was, you know, employed by the -- any agency.
21 But when you are a very significant businessman and
22 politician, as my father was, you meet with people
23 over time and you, I guess trade business or ideas.
24 I think if -- if that would fall under
25 that definition, that's how I would give it.
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