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Summary
This document is a court transcript from February 15, 2012, in the case of USA v. Paul M. Daugerdas. It details the cross-examination and dismissal of a witness, Ms. Conrad, who admits to perjury and misrepresentation regarding her service as a juror. Defense counsel (Mr. Gair) characterizes her as a 'pathological liar.' The proceedings also involve discussions about calling a U.S. Marshal and a law student named Mr. Benhamou as witnesses, though the latter is dismissed to return to class. The document appears to be an exhibit filed in a later case (likely Giuffre v. Maxwell based on the 2022 filing stamp).
People (9)
| Name | Role | Context |
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| Ms. Conrad | Witness/Juror |
Admitting to perjury and misrepresentation during voir dire; being excused from the stand.
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| Paul M. Daugerdas | Defendant |
Named in the case title (United States of America v. Paul M. Daugerdas).
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| Mr. Okula | Attorney |
Prosecutor/Counsel participating in the hearing.
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| Mr. Gair | Attorney |
Defense counsel; argues the witness is a 'pathological liar'; calls the U.S. Marshal as next witness.
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| Mr. Rotert | Attorney |
Counsel present at the hearing.
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| Ms. McCarthy | Attorney |
Counsel present at the hearing.
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| Mr. Shechtman | Attorney |
Counsel present; discusses witness Mr. Benhamou.
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| Eric Weiss | Deputy U.S. Marshal |
Called as a witness by the defense.
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| Mr. Benhamou | Potential Witness |
Law student present in court; counsel decides not to call him to testify so he can return to class.
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Organizations (4)
| Name | Type | Context |
|---|---|---|
| United States of America |
Plaintiff in the case
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| Southern District Reporters |
Transcription service listed in footer
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| Marshals Service |
Law enforcement agency mentioned regarding witness assistance and Deputy Weiss
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| Department of Justice (DOJ) |
Implied by footer DOJ-OGR-00009273
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Timeline (2 events)
February 15, 2012
Court hearing regarding juror misconduct (Conrad). Witness excuses, arrest warrant discussed but she is released.
Courtroom
Locations (1)
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Jurisdiction (likely SDNY based on context of typical Epstein/Daugerdas filings)
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Relationships (2)
Mr. Gair calls Ms. Conrad a 'pathological liar' and moves to dispense with further witnesses to focus on her perjury.
Mr. Shechtman discusses Mr. Benhamou's presence and ultimately decides not to call him.
Key Quotes (3)
"I know misrepresenting myself and the perjury was wrong, and I apologize to the Court and to everybody else"Source
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Quote #1
"The witness has shown herself to be a pathological liar, not to know what the truth is, probably to be severely mentally disabled, and to have committed innumerable direct contempts in front of your Honor today by perjuring herself."Source
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Quote #2
"I think we are even better. We have just decided that we don't need his testimony and we are going to send him back to school."Source
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Case 1:20-cv-00330-PAE Document 616-20 Filed 02/24/22 Page 51 of 67
A-5669
A-5669
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v
PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL.,
February 15, 2012
PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL.,
February 15, 2012
[Page 237]
C2frdau7 Conrad - cross Page 237
1 I know misrepresenting myself and the perjury was
2 wrong, and I apologize to the Court and to everybody else who
3 has, I'm sure, devoted immeasurable amount of time, hours.
4 Maybe it just wasn't for the $40. That's basically it. I know
5 a lot of resources were spent because of this, and I apologize
6 to everybody. It wasn't a calculated folly, it was just maybe
7 folly. But I know I served and I did my civic duty and I
8 believe I was fair and just in rendering the verdict.
9 I know my disclosures definitely would not have
10 allowed me to serve as a juror. I also know that I could have
11 requested a side bar to speak with your Honor and the other
12 attorneys during the voir dire, and I didn't do that. I
13 apologize to everybody.
14 THE COURT: Anything further from counsel?
15 MR. OKULA: No, your Honor.
16 THE COURT: Mr. Gair?
17 MR. GAIR: Not of this witness, your Honor.
18 THE COURT: Mr. Rotert?
19 MR. ROTERT: No, your Honor.
20 MS. McCARTHY: No.
21 MR. SHECHTMAN: No, your Honor.
22 THE COURT: Is there any reason at this juncture that
23 the arrest warrant that was issued this morning to bring the
24 witness to court should not at this time be released?
25 MR. OKULA: No, your Honor.
C2frdau7 Conrad - cross Page 237
1 I know misrepresenting myself and the perjury was
2 wrong, and I apologize to the Court and to everybody else who
3 has, I'm sure, devoted immeasurable amount of time, hours.
4 Maybe it just wasn't for the $40. That's basically it. I know
5 a lot of resources were spent because of this, and I apologize
6 to everybody. It wasn't a calculated folly, it was just maybe
7 folly. But I know I served and I did my civic duty and I
8 believe I was fair and just in rendering the verdict.
9 I know my disclosures definitely would not have
10 allowed me to serve as a juror. I also know that I could have
11 requested a side bar to speak with your Honor and the other
12 attorneys during the voir dire, and I didn't do that. I
13 apologize to everybody.
14 THE COURT: Anything further from counsel?
15 MR. OKULA: No, your Honor.
16 THE COURT: Mr. Gair?
17 MR. GAIR: Not of this witness, your Honor.
18 THE COURT: Mr. Rotert?
19 MR. ROTERT: No, your Honor.
20 MS. McCARTHY: No.
21 MR. SHECHTMAN: No, your Honor.
22 THE COURT: Is there any reason at this juncture that
23 the arrest warrant that was issued this morning to bring the
24 witness to court should not at this time be released?
25 MR. OKULA: No, your Honor.
[Page 238]
C2frdau7 Page 238
1 MR. GAIR: Not the arrest warrant, your Honor.
2 THE COURT: I'm not going to vacate it. It's an
3 existing arrest warrant. She was arrested. But I'm going to
4 release her now.
5 You're free to go. You may step down as a witness. I
6 think the Marshals Service will assist you. You are excused.
7 (Witness excused)
8 THE WITNESS: Would the defense call its next witness.
9 MR. GAIR: Yes, your Honor. The defense calls deputy
10 U.S. Marshal Eric Weiss.
11 MR. OKULA: Your Honor, I understand that he was
12 supposed to be communicating with the other marshals because he
13 let the people in the courtroom know that he was downstairs and
14 ready to go. I think it is going to take three or four minutes
15 for him to get up. I don't know if counsel is in favor of
16 waiting until tomorrow morning.
17 MR. GAIR: Fine with me, Judge.
18 THE COURT: I just want to make certain that we
19 complete this hearing tomorrow. I'm prepared to work a little
20 later right now to get that, to achieve that purpose.
21 MR. OKULA: Judge, I think, based on getting through
22 Ms. Conrad today, there is a substantial likelihood that we
23 will be done by midday tomorrow. I am highly confident we will
24 get done tomorrow if we break now. I understand from speaking
25 with Mr. Gair or indirectly that he is going to be fairly quick
C2frdau7 Page 238
1 MR. GAIR: Not the arrest warrant, your Honor.
2 THE COURT: I'm not going to vacate it. It's an
3 existing arrest warrant. She was arrested. But I'm going to
4 release her now.
5 You're free to go. You may step down as a witness. I
6 think the Marshals Service will assist you. You are excused.
7 (Witness excused)
8 THE WITNESS: Would the defense call its next witness.
9 MR. GAIR: Yes, your Honor. The defense calls deputy
10 U.S. Marshal Eric Weiss.
11 MR. OKULA: Your Honor, I understand that he was
12 supposed to be communicating with the other marshals because he
13 let the people in the courtroom know that he was downstairs and
14 ready to go. I think it is going to take three or four minutes
15 for him to get up. I don't know if counsel is in favor of
16 waiting until tomorrow morning.
17 MR. GAIR: Fine with me, Judge.
18 THE COURT: I just want to make certain that we
19 complete this hearing tomorrow. I'm prepared to work a little
20 later right now to get that, to achieve that purpose.
21 MR. OKULA: Judge, I think, based on getting through
22 Ms. Conrad today, there is a substantial likelihood that we
23 will be done by midday tomorrow. I am highly confident we will
24 get done tomorrow if we break now. I understand from speaking
25 with Mr. Gair or indirectly that he is going to be fairly quick
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C2frdau7 Page 239
1 with the marshals, and then we are going to head into I think
2 the rest of the waiver portion.
3 MR. GAIR: Judge, as far as I'm concerned, the only
4 reason to call the marshal, I need to to perfect impeachment
5 unless the Court is ready to decide the substantive issue that
6 the witness has shown herself to be a pathological liar, not to
7 know what the truth is, probably to be severely mentally
8 disabled, and to have committed innumerable direct contempts in
9 front of your Honor today by perjuring herself. So I would
10 renew our motion at this time, and then we could dispense with
11 the marshal.
12 THE COURT: We are in the middle of a hearing. I can
13 see that Mr. Okula is ready to respond, but we are not going to
14 go down that route. You will call your next witness and you
15 will do it tomorrow morning. We'll have Deputy Weiss here at
16 that time.
17 Are you calling anyone else from the Marshals Service?
18 MR. GAIR: No, your Honor.
19 THE COURT: All right. Mr. Shechtman?
20 MR. SHECHTMAN: Judge, it may be that we should all
21 call it a day. If the Court wants what I think is a short
22 witness, Mr. Benhamou is here. He is a law student, he has
23 classes tomorrow.
24 THE COURT: He is in class?
25 MR. SHECHTMAN: He missed today.
C2frdau7 Page 239
1 with the marshals, and then we are going to head into I think
2 the rest of the waiver portion.
3 MR. GAIR: Judge, as far as I'm concerned, the only
4 reason to call the marshal, I need to to perfect impeachment
5 unless the Court is ready to decide the substantive issue that
6 the witness has shown herself to be a pathological liar, not to
7 know what the truth is, probably to be severely mentally
8 disabled, and to have committed innumerable direct contempts in
9 front of your Honor today by perjuring herself. So I would
10 renew our motion at this time, and then we could dispense with
11 the marshal.
12 THE COURT: We are in the middle of a hearing. I can
13 see that Mr. Okula is ready to respond, but we are not going to
14 go down that route. You will call your next witness and you
15 will do it tomorrow morning. We'll have Deputy Weiss here at
16 that time.
17 Are you calling anyone else from the Marshals Service?
18 MR. GAIR: No, your Honor.
19 THE COURT: All right. Mr. Shechtman?
20 MR. SHECHTMAN: Judge, it may be that we should all
21 call it a day. If the Court wants what I think is a short
22 witness, Mr. Benhamou is here. He is a law student, he has
23 classes tomorrow.
24 THE COURT: He is in class?
25 MR. SHECHTMAN: He missed today.
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C2frdau7 Page 240
1 THE COURT: Bring him on.
2 MR. OKULA: May I have a moment with Mr. Shechtman,
3 your Honor?
4 THE COURT: Right. We'll take a witness out of order.
5 MR. SHECHTMAN: Judge, I think we are even better. We
6 have just decided that we don't need his testimony and we are
7 going to send him back to school.
8 THE COURT: I hope he didn't have much of a class load
9 today.
10 MR. OKULA: It's early in the semester, your Honor.
11 THE COURT: It's those early sessions that are most
12 important though.
13 MR. SHECHTMAN: I would say that he missed the classes
14 on respondeat superior by order of the Court.
15 THE COURT: Are there any matters that counsel want to
16 raise before we suspend for the evening?
17 MR. OKULA: No, your Honor.
18 THE COURT: Anything from defense counsel?
19 MR. GAIR: No, your Honor.
20 MR. ROTERT: 9:30 tomorrow, Judge?
21 THE COURT: Let's make it 9:45, since I'm assured that
22 we are going to comfortably finish tomorrow. Have a good
23 evening.
24 (Adjourned to 9:45 a.m., February 16, 2012)
25
C2frdau7 Page 240
1 THE COURT: Bring him on.
2 MR. OKULA: May I have a moment with Mr. Shechtman,
3 your Honor?
4 THE COURT: Right. We'll take a witness out of order.
5 MR. SHECHTMAN: Judge, I think we are even better. We
6 have just decided that we don't need his testimony and we are
7 going to send him back to school.
8 THE COURT: I hope he didn't have much of a class load
9 today.
10 MR. OKULA: It's early in the semester, your Honor.
11 THE COURT: It's those early sessions that are most
12 important though.
13 MR. SHECHTMAN: I would say that he missed the classes
14 on respondeat superior by order of the Court.
15 THE COURT: Are there any matters that counsel want to
16 raise before we suspend for the evening?
17 MR. OKULA: No, your Honor.
18 THE COURT: Anything from defense counsel?
19 MR. GAIR: No, your Honor.
20 MR. ROTERT: 9:30 tomorrow, Judge?
21 THE COURT: Let's make it 9:45, since I'm assured that
22 we are going to comfortably finish tomorrow. Have a good
23 evening.
24 (Adjourned to 9:45 a.m., February 16, 2012)
25
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