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1 work hours or after work hours?
2 A. Both.
3 Q. Did you always meet with them in your office
4 or did you do it more socially down at Bova or
5 elsewhere?
6 A. Both.
7 Q. But with this particular case, do you recall
8 meeting them at least one time in your office where
9 they could look through the files?
10 A. Actually, that group of investors were
11 looking at a lot of different cases or at least
12 multiple different cases that we were attempting to
13 lure them into the Ponzi scheme utilizing, so I met
14 with them on multiple occasions, both in my office and
15 at restaurants.
16 Q. Who is Mike Fisten?
17 A. Mike Fisten was a law enforcement officer of
18 some type that I hired.
19 Q. Why did you hire him?
20 A. He was a Ken Jenne suggestion.
21 Q. And were you hiring him to start up your
22 company with Mr. Jenne, as you indicated earlier?
23 A. I don't recall what the purpose of hiring
24 him was. It had nothing to do with what Ken Jenne was
25 doing for us.
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1 Ponzi scheme investors?
2 A. Not really.
3 Q. Would it have given more legitimacy to your
4 allegation that it was a good case in which they
5 should invest?
6 A. In the way that I was selling the Ponzi
7 settlements, it would have likely been overkill.
8 Q. So did you ever instruct them not to speak
9 to the press about the case?
10 A. I don't recall that either one way or the
11 other.
12 Q. If it had gotten out there that the cases
13 had not, in fact, settled, as you were claiming when
14 you were selling the settlement, would that have
15 hindered your case, your Ponzi investor's case?
16 A. Not really because they would have no way of
17 knowing if I had created a fake plaintiff's name. I
18 mean, there could have been something in the news
19 that -- and I don't know that there was -- there could
20 have been something in the news that says none of this
21 settled. And I just simply would have created a fake
22 name with my co-conspirators, created a fake set of
23 settlement documents and handle it that way.
24 Q. Did you know where Mr. Epstein lived?
25 A. I only knew that he was from Palm Beach,
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1 Q. So what did he do at RRA?
2 A. My best recollection is that he had been a
3 former ADT officer and so it would reason that he
4 would be working in our alcohol beverage practice that
5 we were establishing.
6 Q. Do you know if he ever did any work for your
7 firm as an investigator?
8 A. He may have. I don't have a specific
9 recollection one way or the other.
10 Q. Did you ever speak to the press about the
11 Epstein case?
12 A. I don't have a recollection one way or the
13 other.
14 Q. Did you ever have Kip utilize the Epstein
15 case to put any publicity or spin out there with
16 respect to the case?
17 A. I don't have a specific recollection of that
18 one way or the other.
19 Q. Did you ever instruct Brad or Russ to talk
20 to the press about the case? We'll start with Brad
21 then Russ.
22 A. I do not specifically recall getting
23 involved at the publicity level of that case. I don't
24 have a recollection one way or the other.
25 Q. Would that publicity have been good for your
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1 other than that, no.
2 Q. Okay. In 2009, did you ever have any firm
3 meetings?
4 A. Of any type?
5 Q. Of any type, in general, firm meetings.
6 A. I'm certain I did.
7 Q. Do you recall about how many?
8 A. I do not recall.
9 Q. Did you ever have any partner meetings?
10 A. Yes.
11 Q. Do you recall how many?
12 A. I do not.
13 Q. Do you recall how many partners you had at
14 the firm in 2009?
15 A. I do not.
16 Q. Do you recall how many fundraisers you had
17 at your home in 2009?
18 A. I do not.
19 Q. More than 10?
20 A. I'd be guessing, Tonja.
21 Q. Okay.
22 A. It's easy enough to check, there's state and
23 federal records of all that stuff.
24 Q. In 2009, did you still require the attorneys
25 from your firm to attend the fundraisers you would
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