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This document is page 25 of a court transcript filed on August 10, 2022, from Case 1:20-cr-00330-PAE (United States v. Ghislaine Maxwell). Attorney Mr. Rohrbach argues to the Court regarding the reliability of forms filled out by Mr. Roberts, an employee of Mar-a-Lago, concerning his dependents and insurance coverage. The argument centers on whether Mr. Roberts had a business duty to be truthful to his employer, distinguishing the situation from the precedent set in United States v. Lieberman, though the Court remains skeptical.
People (5)
| Name | Role | Context |
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| Mr. Rohrbach | Attorney |
Argues regarding the admissibility/verification of forms and interviews Ms. Gill.
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| The Court | Judge |
Presiding over the hearing, questioning Mr. Rohrbach's legal argument.
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| Ms. Gill | Interviewee/Witness |
Interviewed by Mr. Rohrbach regarding Mar-a-Lago's verification procedures.
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| Mr. Roberts | Employee |
Employee of Mar-a-Lago discussed in relation to filling out forms for dependents/insurance.
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| Lieberman | Legal Case Subject |
Referenced in case law 'United States v. Lieberman'.
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Organizations (3)
| Name | Type | Context |
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| Mar-a-Lago |
Employer of Mr. Roberts; location where forms were filled out.
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| Southern District Reporters, P.C. |
Court reporting agency listed in footer.
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| DOJ |
Department of Justice (indicated by DOJ-OGR in footer).
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Timeline (1 events)
2022-08-10
Court hearing regarding Case 1:20-cr-00330-PAE (United States v. Ghislaine Maxwell)
Courtroom (Southern District)
Locations (1)
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Club/Hotel mentioned as the employer and location of record keeping.
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Relationships (2)
Mr. Roberts was an employee of Mar-a-Lago
MR. ROHRBACH: Your Honor, I have interviewed Ms. Gill.
Key Quotes (4)
"I think she would likely say that the Mar-a-Lago does not make independent efforts to verify information on these forms."Source
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"Mr. Roberts was an employee of Mar-a-Lago; so he had a business duty not to lie to his own employer."Source
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"It would have been a violation of his duty, a fireable offense, presumably, by Mar-a-Lago if he had lied to them about the names of his dependents and obtained for them insurance coverage."Source
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"I'm not persuaded that that distinguishes a binding precedent."Source
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Case 1:20-cr-00330-PAE Document 755 Filed 08/10/22 Page 25 of 262 1730
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1 THE COURT: Okay. Mr. Rohrbach.
2 MR. ROHRBACH: Your Honor, I have interviewed
3 Ms. Gill. I think she would likely say that the Mar-a-Lago
4 does not make independent efforts to verify information on
5 these forms.
6 I've also been reading United States v. Lieberman. I
7 do think this case is distinguishable. The case is about an
8 outsider to the hotel filling out a form or -- the case said it
9 wouldn't matter if the employee filled it out themselves.
10 Verification is important there because they are just
11 taking the information of the outsider at their word. Here,
12 Mr. Roberts was an employee of Mar-a-Lago; so he had a business
13 duty not to lie to his own employer. So he's not an outsider
14 in the traditional sense the way that United States v.
15 Lieberman and cases like it are talking about. It would have
16 been a violation of his duty, a fireable offense, presumably,
17 by Mar-a-Lago if he had lied to them about the names of his
18 dependents and obtained for them insurance coverage.
19 THE COURT: I'm not persuaded that that distinguishes
20 a binding precedent. It's a point of distinction, but it
21 doesn't show verification.
22 Do you have authority for beyond verification, some
23 obligation to fill it out truthfully or the like? In fact,
24 there's no -- I'm not aware of any obligation of employees to
25 fill it out truthfully other than the fact that they could get
2 MR. ROHRBACH: Your Honor, I have interviewed
3 Ms. Gill. I think she would likely say that the Mar-a-Lago
4 does not make independent efforts to verify information on
5 these forms.
6 I've also been reading United States v. Lieberman. I
7 do think this case is distinguishable. The case is about an
8 outsider to the hotel filling out a form or -- the case said it
9 wouldn't matter if the employee filled it out themselves.
10 Verification is important there because they are just
11 taking the information of the outsider at their word. Here,
12 Mr. Roberts was an employee of Mar-a-Lago; so he had a business
13 duty not to lie to his own employer. So he's not an outsider
14 in the traditional sense the way that United States v.
15 Lieberman and cases like it are talking about. It would have
16 been a violation of his duty, a fireable offense, presumably,
17 by Mar-a-Lago if he had lied to them about the names of his
18 dependents and obtained for them insurance coverage.
19 THE COURT: I'm not persuaded that that distinguishes
20 a binding precedent. It's a point of distinction, but it
21 doesn't show verification.
22 Do you have authority for beyond verification, some
23 obligation to fill it out truthfully or the like? In fact,
24 there's no -- I'm not aware of any obligation of employees to
25 fill it out truthfully other than the fact that they could get
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