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Summary
This document is a transcript of a dialogue, likely a deposition or interview, involving Ghislaine Maxwell, Todd Blanche, and David Markus. Maxwell discusses her memory issues, her British/Australian accent, and denies any recollection of a child being massaged at 'the house,' suggesting she might have been mistaken for John Alessi's wife. The conversation also touches on evidence and how it should be presented.
People (5)
| Name | Role | Context |
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| Todd Blanche | Interviewer/Questioner |
Participating in a dialogue with Ghislaine Maxwell and David Markus
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| Ghislaine Maxwell | Deponent/Witness |
Answering questions, discussing memory and past events, particularly regarding her accent and involvement in alleged ...
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| David Markus | Interviewer/Questioner |
Participating in a dialogue with Ghislaine Maxwell and Todd Blanche
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| John Alessi |
Mentioned as having a wife who is described as a maid with short dark hair and an accent.
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| John Alessi's wife | Maid |
Described as having short dark hair and an accent, seen at 'the house' during Maxwell's first FBI meeting. Maxwell su...
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Organizations (2)
| Name | Type | Context |
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| FBI |
Ghislaine Maxwell mentions her 'first FBI meeting'.
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| Magna Legal Services |
Company logo and name at the bottom of the page, indicating they produced the transcript.
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Timeline (1 events)
Ghislaine Maxwell's first FBI meeting, where she claims to have seen a woman with short dark hair at the house, which she suggests was later used as evidence against her (mistaken identity).
the house
Locations (5)
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Ghislaine Maxwell states she has been in America 'a long time'.
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Mentioned in relation to 'that house'.
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Mentioned in Todd Blanche's question about locations where memory might apply.
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Mentioned in Todd Blanche's question about locations where memory might apply.
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A property where events are discussed, specifically where John Alessi's wife was seen and where a massage was alleged...
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Relationships (1)
Maxwell suggests she was mistaken for John Alessi's wife, who was seen at the house during her FBI meeting and had short dark hair and an accent.
Key Quotes (5)
"It's better if it comes from her own words and that way there's no second-guessing whether -- what I'm saying."Source
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"I really do have some slow cognition issues."Source
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"And I don't believe there's an American on planet Earth that doesn't recognize this to be British or Australian, maybe, if you really don't know. But it's not some random accent."Source
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"I don't want you to be burdened. I want you to just tell the truth the best you can, so I don't want you to be burdened by what people said at trial or what you know the press says about you, so --"Source
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"I have no no memory, no active anything of having seen anybody that resembles a young a child, let's call it what it is, at that house giving him a massage at all."Source
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have to
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TODD BLANCHE: Yeah.
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GHISLAINE MAXWELL: hear my point of
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view. It's better if it comes from her own words and
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that way there's no second-guessing whether -- what
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I'm saying.
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herself said that
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recruited her,
brought her and
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trained her. Those are DOJ REDACTION Own words.
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Where was I going with this?
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TODD BLANCHE: That you were that you
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didn't know. I mean, I assume you were saying that
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you weren't
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GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh yeah, sorry, sorry,
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sorry, sorry.
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TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. That's okay
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GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm trying to remember 17
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where I was.
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TODD BLANCHE:
that's all right. It's
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okay.
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GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I really do have some
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slow cognition issues.
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The
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TODD BLANCHE: So she says she
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testifies that it was
that recruited her
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and trained her and not you.
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GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So wait. So then in
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her first FBI meeting, she reports seeing a woman
with short dark hair at the house, which then is used
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as evidence that that person was myself.
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But the maid, lady that who helped keep
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the house, John Alessi's wife -- oh, and with an
accent, I believe she said.
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ahead.
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John Alessi's wife had short, dark hair
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and an accent. I'm sorry, but I find -- and you can
ask yourselves this, I mean, I've obviously modified
my accent. I've been in America a long time, but I'm
British. I've been brought up with a very strong
British accent.
And I don't believe there's an American on
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planet Earth that doesn't recognize this to be
British or Australian, maybe, if you really don't
know. But it's not some random accent.
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"that house," I --
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Now the Hispanic, maybe. Okay. That was
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John's wife that she saw, not me. And I'd like to
point out further how you -- potentially her own
through her own words. She identify
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DAVID MARKUS: Why don't we why don't
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we
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GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay.
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DAVID MARKUS: -- stop there and let him
ask the next question.
GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry.
TODD BLANCHE: You're good.
GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay.
TODD BLANCHE: So it's so just -- and
look, I want to -- I want to try to -- I think
probably tomorrow we will -- I want to talk more
about kind of the evidence against you and how to
address that. So
That's
GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. Sorry.
TODD BLANCHE: No, don't apologize.
so that's helpful but --
GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay.
TODD BLANCHE: I don't want you to be
burdened. I want you to just tell the truth the best
you can, so I don't want you to be burdened by what
people said at trial or what you know the press says
about you, so
GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I just thought it was
illustrative when you asked the question
TODD BLANCHE: And it was. It was.
GHISLAINE MAXWELL: because it
doesn't -- I did not I absolutely have no memory
at any now I'm leaving DOJ REDACTION separate
to this obviously
TODD BLANCHE: Uh-huh.
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GHISLAINE MAXWELL: so that's a
separate story. I'm not going to pretend -- well,
we'll come to her.
TODD BLANCHE: We'll get to her. Go
GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes, she -- but in the
terms of the scheme or whatever, however you want to
determine what you're calling that, I have no no
memory, no active anything of having seen anybody
that resembles a young a child, let's call it what
it is, at that house giving him a massage at all.
It's not even like I did this. It's an at
all. And 44 people didn't see me or talk about me
either, including
DOJ REDACTION
TODD BLANCHE: Did -- and when you say
GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, sorry.
Palm Beach.
TODD BLANCHE: Yeah, no, I understand what
you mean but, and I -- does the same memory or lack
thereof, apply to on planes, at in New Mexico, in
New York, in
GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, with some other
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have to
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TODD BLANCHE: Yeah.
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GHISLAINE MAXWELL: hear my point of
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view. It's better if it comes from her own words and
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that way there's no second-guessing whether -- what
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I'm saying.
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DOJ REDACTION
DOJ REDACTION
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herself said that
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LOJ REDACTION
DOJ REDACTION
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recruited her,
brought her and
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trained her. Those are DOJ REDACTION Own words.
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Where was I going with this?
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TODD BLANCHE: That you were that you
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didn't know. I mean, I assume you were saying that
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you weren't
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GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh yeah, sorry, sorry,
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sorry, sorry.
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TODD BLANCHE: Yeah. That's okay
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GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I'm trying to remember 17
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where I was.
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TODD BLANCHE:
that's all right. It's
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okay.
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GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I really do have some
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slow cognition issues.
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The
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TODD BLANCHE: So she says she
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DOJ REDACTION
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testifies that it was
that recruited her
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and trained her and not you.
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GHISLAINE MAXWELL: So wait. So then in
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her first FBI meeting, she reports seeing a woman
with short dark hair at the house, which then is used
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as evidence that that person was myself.
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But the maid, lady that who helped keep
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the house, John Alessi's wife -- oh, and with an
accent, I believe she said.
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ahead.
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John Alessi's wife had short, dark hair
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and an accent. I'm sorry, but I find -- and you can
ask yourselves this, I mean, I've obviously modified
my accent. I've been in America a long time, but I'm
British. I've been brought up with a very strong
British accent.
And I don't believe there's an American on
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planet Earth that doesn't recognize this to be
British or Australian, maybe, if you really don't
know. But it's not some random accent.
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"that house," I --
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Now the Hispanic, maybe. Okay. That was
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John's wife that she saw, not me. And I'd like to
point out further how you -- potentially her own
through her own words. She identify
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DAVID MARKUS: Why don't we why don't
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we
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GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay.
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DAVID MARKUS: -- stop there and let him
ask the next question.
GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Sorry.
TODD BLANCHE: You're good.
GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay.
TODD BLANCHE: So it's so just -- and
look, I want to -- I want to try to -- I think
probably tomorrow we will -- I want to talk more
about kind of the evidence against you and how to
address that. So
That's
GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay. Sorry.
TODD BLANCHE: No, don't apologize.
so that's helpful but --
GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay.
TODD BLANCHE: I don't want you to be
burdened. I want you to just tell the truth the best
you can, so I don't want you to be burdened by what
people said at trial or what you know the press says
about you, so
GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I just thought it was
illustrative when you asked the question
TODD BLANCHE: And it was. It was.
GHISLAINE MAXWELL: because it
doesn't -- I did not I absolutely have no memory
at any now I'm leaving DOJ REDACTION separate
to this obviously
TODD BLANCHE: Uh-huh.
Page 125
GHISLAINE MAXWELL: so that's a
separate story. I'm not going to pretend -- well,
we'll come to her.
TODD BLANCHE: We'll get to her. Go
GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Yes, she -- but in the
terms of the scheme or whatever, however you want to
determine what you're calling that, I have no no
memory, no active anything of having seen anybody
that resembles a young a child, let's call it what
it is, at that house giving him a massage at all.
It's not even like I did this. It's an at
all. And 44 people didn't see me or talk about me
either, including
DOJ REDACTION
TODD BLANCHE: Did -- and when you say
GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Oh, sorry.
Palm Beach.
TODD BLANCHE: Yeah, no, I understand what
you mean but, and I -- does the same memory or lack
thereof, apply to on planes, at in New Mexico, in
New York, in
GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Well, with some other
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LEGAL SERVICES
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