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Case 1:20-cr-00330-PAE Document 616-20 Filed 02/24/22 Page 19 of 67
A-5637

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v
PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL.,

February 15, 2012

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1 know whether you have a reason for doing or not?
2 A. I'm not sure how to answer that if you're not a
3 psychologist.
4 Q. Had you been drinking this morning, Ms. Conrad?
5 A. No.
6 Q. When was the last time you were drinking?
7 A. Last night.
8 Q. How much did you have to drink last night?
9 A. A cup and a half, maybe.
10 Q. Of?
11 A. A liquor.
12 Q. What kind of liquor?
13 A. A very cheap vodka.
14 Q. And before that when was the last time you had been
15 drinking?
16 A. Sunday, January 8th.
17 Q. How is it that you remember the date Sunday, January 8th?
18 A. Because alcoholics generally do that.
19 Q. Now, Ms. Conrad, you last appeared in the federal
20 courthouse on December 20th to appear before Judge Pauley and
21 received instructions, is that correct?
22 A. Yes, you're correct.
23 Q. Now, during that court appearance, were you intoxicated?
24 A. No.
25 Q. Had you had anything to drink?

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1 A. No.
2 Q. When was the last time before your court appearance on
3 December 20th that you had anything to drink?
4 A. The night before.
5 Q. And had the effects of that alcohol worn off by the time
6 you arrived in court at noon on December 20th?
7 A. Yes.
8 Q. And so whatever you did in that court appearance on
9 December 20th was not caused by alcohol intoxication, is that
10 correct?
11 A. I believe it was caused by a subpoena that I had to appear
12 here, sir.
13 Q. The things that you said to the Court on that day were not
14 influenced by being intoxicated at the time, is that correct?
15 A. I believe you're correct.
16 Q. And was your behavior, would you characterize your behavior
17 as rational or irrational?
18 A. I can't answer that. That's in your eyes, sir.
19 Q. Now, do you recall that you received some instructions from
20 the Court?
21 A. I don't know what you're talking about. When?
22 Q. On December 20th did you receive some instructions from
23 Judge Pauley?
24 A. Of course. I received a subpoena.
25 Q. And Judge Pauley ordered you to appear today, is that

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1 correct?
2 A. Yes, I'm here.
3 Q. And do you remember you made some statements at that time.
4 A. I'm sure I did. Thank you.
5 Q. Did you say, and I quote, "You're being very stupid, Judge,
6 and I know you went to Duke and God bless you because I love
7 all the players there, but, you know, come on, this is anything
8 in favor of the defendants and they brought the motion against
9 the prosecution. It's ridiculous. If you want another Clinton
10 appointment, it's not going to happen."
11 A. I absolutely said that. Thank you for refreshing my
12 recollection.
13 Q. Now, let me break that down a little bit. When you said,
14 "You're being very stupid, Judge," what were you referring to?
15 A. I don't recall.
16 Q. Well, were you referring to anything?
17 A. I don't recall.
18 Q. And when you said, "I know you went to Duke and God bless
19 you," what were you referring to there?
20 A. I like his football team.
21 Q. You like Duke's football team?
22 A. Yes, sir.
23 Q. You mean its basketball team?
24 A. No. Football.
25 Q. You like Duke's football?

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1 A. I know, they're sort of losers, but that's okay.
2 Q. Is that what you like about them?
3 A. I'm not going to answer this.
4 MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor. Why she likes the
5 Duke football team?
6 THE COURT: Sustained.
7 Q. Are you under the impression as you sit up there today that
8 you are the judge of deciding what questions you will and you
9 will not answer?
10 A. No, sir.
11 Q. And yet that's what you just did, correct?
12 A. I think even yourself sees the ridiculosity (sic) of that
13 question.
14 Q. Let me try to repeat that question again. Didn't you just
15 state, contrary to your own knowledge of legal procedures, that
16 you were not going to answer my question?
17 A. I don't understand your question. I'm sorry.
18 Q. Now, do you feel like you have the same level of
19 understanding of what's going on around you today that you had
20 during the trial?
21 A. I don't understand the meaning of that question.
22 Q. Now, can you explain to us what Judge Pauley having
23 attended Duke University had to do with the discussion about
24 your appearing for a hearing today?
25 A. Absolutely nothing.

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