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This document is page 76 of a court transcript from Case 1:20-cr-00330-PAE (US v. Ghislaine Maxwell), filed on August 10, 2022. It captures a legal argument between Ms. Moe (Prosecution) and Mr. Pagliuca (Defense) regarding the evidentiary weight and authenticity of message books/logs. Ms. Moe argues the logs are sequential and chronological, while Mr. Pagliuca contends they are disorganized, missing dates, and that multiple books were used haphazardly by staff.
People (4)
| Name | Role | Context |
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| Ms. Hesse | Witness / Subject |
Referenced in relation to a practice or methodology regarding exhibits; explicitly referred to as 'Mrs. Hesse' as well.
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| Ms. Moe | Attorney (Prosecution) |
Arguing for the admissibility/authenticity of message logs based on sequential order.
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| Mr. Pagliuca | Attorney (Defense) |
Arguing against the reliability of the message logs, claiming dates are out of order or missing.
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| Your Honor | Judge |
Addressed by both attorneys during the argument.
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| Southern District Reporters, P.C. |
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| DOJ |
Implied by the footer 'DOJ-OGR-00018938'.
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2022-08-10
Court filing date for the transcript.
Southern District of New York (implied by reporters)
Relationships (1)
They are arguing opposing sides regarding the admissibility of evidence in court.
Key Quotes (4)
"MS. MOE: ...the rule only requires that the record is made at or near the time of the offense recorded..."Source
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"MR. PAGLIUCA: ...there are some that have dates on them and then there are some that have dates out of order on them, and then there are a bunch that don't have dates on them."Source
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"MR. PAGLIUCA: It is common knowledge, I think, for people who were using these books when they were used, you can take any six different books and start writing in them at any point in time to take a message."Source
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"MS. MOE: Your Honor, the point here is that employees were instructed to take messages from phone calls as they came in."Source
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Case 1:20-cr-00330-PAE Document 755 Filed 08/10/22 Page 76 of 262 1781
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1 within the practice that Ms. Hesse practiced -- Mrs. Hesse. So
2 I don't think that anyone can actually say that there is a
3 practice or methodology associated with these exhibits.
4 MS. MOE: Your Honor, on that subject, because the
5 messages are ordered sequentially, the rule only requires that
6 the record is made at or near the time of the offense recorded,
7 and because the dates and times are sequential, even when a
8 message doesn't have a date or time, it's situated between
9 sequentially ordered messages, which is how the record itself
10 shows that these are sequentially kept messages that are kept
11 at or near the time of those events. They are in chronological
12 order and that's all that the rule requires.
13 MR. PAGLIUCA: I disagree with that, as well, your
14 Honor, because when I'm going through these, again, there are
15 some that have dates on them and then there are some that have
16 dates out of order on them, and then there are a bunch that
17 don't have dates on them. There is no one that can establish a
18 particular practice of using the same book at the same time.
19 It is common knowledge, I think, for people who were using
20 these books when they were used, you can take any six different
21 books and start writing in them at any point in time to take a
22 message.
23 MS. MOE: Your Honor, the point here is that employees
24 were instructed to take messages from phone calls as they came
25 in. Mr. Pagliuca's point is to weight and not authenticity or
2 I don't think that anyone can actually say that there is a
3 practice or methodology associated with these exhibits.
4 MS. MOE: Your Honor, on that subject, because the
5 messages are ordered sequentially, the rule only requires that
6 the record is made at or near the time of the offense recorded,
7 and because the dates and times are sequential, even when a
8 message doesn't have a date or time, it's situated between
9 sequentially ordered messages, which is how the record itself
10 shows that these are sequentially kept messages that are kept
11 at or near the time of those events. They are in chronological
12 order and that's all that the rule requires.
13 MR. PAGLIUCA: I disagree with that, as well, your
14 Honor, because when I'm going through these, again, there are
15 some that have dates on them and then there are some that have
16 dates out of order on them, and then there are a bunch that
17 don't have dates on them. There is no one that can establish a
18 particular practice of using the same book at the same time.
19 It is common knowledge, I think, for people who were using
20 these books when they were used, you can take any six different
21 books and start writing in them at any point in time to take a
22 message.
23 MS. MOE: Your Honor, the point here is that employees
24 were instructed to take messages from phone calls as they came
25 in. Mr. Pagliuca's point is to weight and not authenticity or
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