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Summary
This document is a court transcript from February 15, 2012, detailing an afternoon session where the Court addresses matters that arose during a luncheon recess, including a financial affidavit from Ms. Conrad and a voice mail she left stating she would not attend the hearing. The transcript also covers an examination by Mr. Gair and Mr. Okula regarding a prior conversation on December 20th with Judge Pauley about 'The Answerer's' financial ability to hire a lawyer and their personal finances, which 'The Answerer' claimed were irrelevant.
People (11)
| Name | Role | Context |
|---|---|---|
| Paul M. Daugerdas | Defendant/Party in case |
Named in the case title 'UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL.,'.
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| MR. GAIR | Counsel/Examiner |
Participating in the inquiry/examination, addressing the Court and questioning 'The Answerer'.
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| THE COURT | Judge/Court |
Presiding over the inquiry, making statements, asking questions, and managing the proceedings.
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| Judge Pauley | Judge |
Mentioned as having a prior conversation with 'The Answerer' regarding their finances and ability to hire a lawyer; a...
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| Ms. Sternheim | Unknown |
Presented a financial affidavit which she received from Ms. Conrad.
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| Ms. Conrad | Witness/Party involved |
Provided a financial affidavit, left a voice mail message stating she would not attend the hearing, and is the subjec...
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| Catherine Conrad | Witness/Party involved |
Identified as the speaker in the voice mail message, same person as Ms. Conrad.
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| MR. OKULA | Counsel/Examiner |
Participating in the inquiry/examination, addressing the Court.
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| The Answerer | Witness/Defendant (person being questioned) |
The individual responding to questions from counsel and the court regarding their finances and prior interactions wit...
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| Court's deputy | Deputy |
Had a conversation with Ms. Conrad prior to her voice mail message.
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| Client of questioning counsel | Client |
Referred to by 'The Answerer' as someone against whom a guilty verdict was rendered.
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Organizations (2)
| Name | Type | Context |
|---|---|---|
| UNITED STATES OF AMERICA | Government agency |
Plaintiff in the legal case.
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| SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS | Company |
Transcribing the court proceedings.
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Timeline (3 events)
2011-12-20
Judge Pauley attempted to determine 'The Answerer's' financial ability to hire a lawyer.
Court
2012-02-15
Afternoon session of a court inquiry, addressing matters that developed over the luncheon recess, including a financial affidavit from Ms. Conrad and her voice mail message. Examination of 'The Answerer' regarding finances.
Court
Relationships (6)
Ms. Sternheim received a financial affidavit from Ms. Conrad.
Judge Pauley had a conversation with 'The Answerer' about their finances and ability to hire a lawyer.
MR. GAIR is examining Ms. Conrad.
MR. OKULA is participating in the inquiry involving Ms. Conrad.
The Court is presiding over the inquiry involving Ms. Conrad.
The Answerer stated they rendered a guilty verdict against 'your client'.
Key Quotes (5)
"Hi, it's Catherine Conrad. I won't be showing up to the hearing today. Thank you."Source
— Catherine Conrad
(Voice mail message played in court, explaining her absence from the hearing.)
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Quote #1
"Have you any cash on hand or money in savings or checking accounts?"Source
— The Court (Judge Pauley, as quoted from a prior transcript)
(Question asked to 'The Answerer' on December 20th regarding their financial status.)
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Quote #2
"As opposed to what? As opposed next month or as opposed to what? That's not -- I don't understand what you're saying, sir."Source
— The Answerer
(Response given to Judge Pauley's question about finances on December 20th, indicating a lack of understanding or refusal to answer directly.)
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Quote #3
"My personal finances have nothing to do with this. Thank you. They have nothing to do with this. I can get counsel any time I want, federal or state. Thank you, sir."Source
— The Answerer
(Statement made to Judge Pauley on December 20th, asserting that personal finances are irrelevant to the proceedings and that legal counsel can be obtained independently.)
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Quote #4
"If that's what it sets, then that's what I said, sir."Source
— The Answerer
(Confirming a previous statement about personal finances and the ability to secure a lawyer, under questioning by Mr. Gair.)
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Case 1:20-cr-00330-PAEum Document 616 Filed 02/24/22 Page 24 of 67
A-5642
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v
PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL.,
C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct Page 129 C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct February 15, 2012
Page 131
1 MR. GAIR: Yes, your Honor. 1 Q. Did you refuse to tell Judge Pauley whether you had money
2 THE COURT: We're going to take a luncheon recess at 2 in checking or savings accounts?
3 this time. We'll resume at 2:05. 3 A. I don't recall.
4 (Luncheon recess) 4 Q. And this was just about two months ago that you had this
5 oOo 5 conversation with Judge Pauley, correct?
6 AFTERNOON SESSION 6 A. If we've established it was December 20th, right.
7 2:07 p.m. 7 Q. And you don't recall whether he asked you whether you had
8 THE COURT: I want to draw to counsel's attention two 8 money in checking or savings accounts and you refused to
9 matters that developed over the luncheon recess. First, 9 answer?
10 Ms. Sternheim presented me with a financial affidavit which she 10 A. Are you directing me to look at a specific page of the
11 received from Ms. Conrad. Copies have been made and circulated 11 transcript?
12 to all counsel and I've marked it as Court Exhibit 1. 12 Q. Actually, I was directing you to look at what I thought was
13 Second, during the luncheon recess we discovered on 13 on page 11, but I am not finding it right now. It might be --
14 our voice mail system that there is a voice mail message from 14 oh, yeah, I'm sorry. My notes were wrong. It's the bottom of
15 Ms. Conrad. Much like a picture that's worth a thousand words 15 page 10 of the transcript.
16 I'm going to play the voice mail message for all parties in 16 "The Court: Have you any cash on hand or money in
17 open court now. 17 savings or checking accounts?"
18 18 And your answer was, "As opposed to what? As opposed
19 MS. CONRAD: (Voice mail) "Hi, it's Catherine Conrad. 19 next month or as opposed to what? That's not -- I don't
20 I won't be showing up to the hearing today. Thank you." 20 understand what you're saying, sir."
21 THE COURT: In the time. 21 Now, do you recall, does that refresh your
22 "8:33 a.m. on February 15th." 22 recollection that you were asked about whether you had cash or
23 All right. There you have it. That was after her 23 money in checking or savings accounts?
24 conversation with my deputy at 7:52. Are there any matters 24 A. Yes. Now it does, sir.
25 that counsel want to raise before we bring Ms. Conrad out and 25 Q. And did you tell the judge that your personal finances had
C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct Page 130 C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct Page 132
1 resume the inquiry? 1 nothing to do with this?
2 MR. GAIR: No, your Honor. 2 A. I can't read as quickly as you're trying to lead me to,
3 THE COURT: All right. 3 but --
4 MR. OKULA: Judge, do you anticipate that we'll go to 4 Q. I don't want to make you go any more quickly than you can.
5 5 today? 5 If you look on page 11, line 19, did you say, beginning line
6 THE COURT: Do you anticipate finishing with 6 19, "My personal finances have nothing to do with this. Thank
7 Ms. Conrad this afternoon? 7 you. They have nothing to do with this. I can get counsel any
8 MR. GAIR: I do so anticipate. 8 time I want, federal or state. Thank you, sir." Did you say
9 THE COURT: Good. Then I anticipate going to five. 9 that to Judge Pauley?
10 If we have to work a little later to complete Ms. Conrad, I'd 10 A. Yes, before he told me to sit down.
11 like to do that. 11 Q. We're going to get to where he told you to sit down, but
12 Mr. Gair, you may continue with your examination. 12 when you told Judge Pauley your personal finances have nothing
13 BY MR. GAIR: 13 to do with this, did you understand that in fact your personal
14 Q. On December 20th when you were here pursuant to the Court's 14 finances had a great deal to do with whether or not he could
15 order, Judge Pauley attempted to determine whether you had the 15 appoint a lawyer for you?
16 financial ability to hire a lawyer. Do you recall that? 16 A. Had nothing to do with the guilty verdict I rendered
17 A. Generally. Not specifically. 17 against your client.
18 Q. And you understood -- well, he asked you whether you had 18 Q. So you were not telling the judge that your personal
19 any money in checking or savings account, did he not? 19 finances have nothing to do with whether or not you could be
20 A. I don't recall. 20 appointed a lawyer?
21 Q. If we can look at Exhibit 3, it's tab 3, page 11 of the 21 A. Can you please rephrase that?
22 transcript -- 22 Q. Sure. What you said is that your personal finances had
23 MR. GAIR: If I may have a moment, your Honor. 23 nothing to do with it and you could get a lawyer federal or
24 THE COURT: Take your time. 24 state any time you wanted. Isn't that what you said?
25 (Pause) 25 A. If that's what it sets, then that's what I said, sir.
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS
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A-5642
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v
PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL.,
C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct Page 129 C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct February 15, 2012
Page 131
1 MR. GAIR: Yes, your Honor. 1 Q. Did you refuse to tell Judge Pauley whether you had money
2 THE COURT: We're going to take a luncheon recess at 2 in checking or savings accounts?
3 this time. We'll resume at 2:05. 3 A. I don't recall.
4 (Luncheon recess) 4 Q. And this was just about two months ago that you had this
5 oOo 5 conversation with Judge Pauley, correct?
6 AFTERNOON SESSION 6 A. If we've established it was December 20th, right.
7 2:07 p.m. 7 Q. And you don't recall whether he asked you whether you had
8 THE COURT: I want to draw to counsel's attention two 8 money in checking or savings accounts and you refused to
9 matters that developed over the luncheon recess. First, 9 answer?
10 Ms. Sternheim presented me with a financial affidavit which she 10 A. Are you directing me to look at a specific page of the
11 received from Ms. Conrad. Copies have been made and circulated 11 transcript?
12 to all counsel and I've marked it as Court Exhibit 1. 12 Q. Actually, I was directing you to look at what I thought was
13 Second, during the luncheon recess we discovered on 13 on page 11, but I am not finding it right now. It might be --
14 our voice mail system that there is a voice mail message from 14 oh, yeah, I'm sorry. My notes were wrong. It's the bottom of
15 Ms. Conrad. Much like a picture that's worth a thousand words 15 page 10 of the transcript.
16 I'm going to play the voice mail message for all parties in 16 "The Court: Have you any cash on hand or money in
17 open court now. 17 savings or checking accounts?"
18 18 And your answer was, "As opposed to what? As opposed
19 MS. CONRAD: (Voice mail) "Hi, it's Catherine Conrad. 19 next month or as opposed to what? That's not -- I don't
20 I won't be showing up to the hearing today. Thank you." 20 understand what you're saying, sir."
21 THE COURT: In the time. 21 Now, do you recall, does that refresh your
22 "8:33 a.m. on February 15th." 22 recollection that you were asked about whether you had cash or
23 All right. There you have it. That was after her 23 money in checking or savings accounts?
24 conversation with my deputy at 7:52. Are there any matters 24 A. Yes. Now it does, sir.
25 that counsel want to raise before we bring Ms. Conrad out and 25 Q. And did you tell the judge that your personal finances had
C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct Page 130 C2FFDAU4 Conrad - direct Page 132
1 resume the inquiry? 1 nothing to do with this?
2 MR. GAIR: No, your Honor. 2 A. I can't read as quickly as you're trying to lead me to,
3 THE COURT: All right. 3 but --
4 MR. OKULA: Judge, do you anticipate that we'll go to 4 Q. I don't want to make you go any more quickly than you can.
5 5 today? 5 If you look on page 11, line 19, did you say, beginning line
6 THE COURT: Do you anticipate finishing with 6 19, "My personal finances have nothing to do with this. Thank
7 Ms. Conrad this afternoon? 7 you. They have nothing to do with this. I can get counsel any
8 MR. GAIR: I do so anticipate. 8 time I want, federal or state. Thank you, sir." Did you say
9 THE COURT: Good. Then I anticipate going to five. 9 that to Judge Pauley?
10 If we have to work a little later to complete Ms. Conrad, I'd 10 A. Yes, before he told me to sit down.
11 like to do that. 11 Q. We're going to get to where he told you to sit down, but
12 Mr. Gair, you may continue with your examination. 12 when you told Judge Pauley your personal finances have nothing
13 BY MR. GAIR: 13 to do with this, did you understand that in fact your personal
14 Q. On December 20th when you were here pursuant to the Court's 14 finances had a great deal to do with whether or not he could
15 order, Judge Pauley attempted to determine whether you had the 15 appoint a lawyer for you?
16 financial ability to hire a lawyer. Do you recall that? 16 A. Had nothing to do with the guilty verdict I rendered
17 A. Generally. Not specifically. 17 against your client.
18 Q. And you understood -- well, he asked you whether you had 18 Q. So you were not telling the judge that your personal
19 any money in checking or savings account, did he not? 19 finances have nothing to do with whether or not you could be
20 A. I don't recall. 20 appointed a lawyer?
21 Q. If we can look at Exhibit 3, it's tab 3, page 11 of the 21 A. Can you please rephrase that?
22 transcript -- 22 Q. Sure. What you said is that your personal finances had
23 MR. GAIR: If I may have a moment, your Honor. 23 nothing to do with it and you could get a lawyer federal or
24 THE COURT: Take your time. 24 state any time you wanted. Isn't that what you said?
25 (Pause) 25 A. If that's what it sets, then that's what I said, sir.
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS
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