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This document is a court transcript from February 15, 2012, detailing the direct examination of a witness named Conrad. The questioning focuses on her credibility, exploring her past actions as a juror for a Mr. Okula, her understanding of financial matters from an expert named Dr. DeRosa, and her failure to disclose a prior disciplinary suspension from the Bar Association during jury selection. The transcript also reveals personal details, such as her husband being a convicted felon, which are used to challenge her character and motivations.
People (6)
| Name | Role | Context |
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| Conrad | Witness / Juror |
The individual being questioned during a direct examination. Referred to as "Ms. Conrad" on page 208.
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| Mr. Okula | Party in a previous case |
Mentioned on page 205 as someone for whom the witness, Conrad, was "fighting for his side" as a juror.
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| MR. GAIR | Attorney |
Makes an objection ("Incorrect.") on page 205 and is mentioned on page 206 as having asked the witness about her husb...
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| Dr. DeRosa | Expert |
Mentioned on page 206 as an expert whose "numbers" the witness was referring to.
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| Mr. Parse |
Mentioned on page 206 in a question about his knowledge of the lack of economic substance in transactions.
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| PAUL M. DAUGERDAS | Defendant |
Named in the case title "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL.," at the top of page 207.
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Organizations (3)
| Name | Type | Context |
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| UNITED STATES OF AMERICA | government agency |
The plaintiff in the case, as seen in the case title at the top of page 207.
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| Bar Association | professional association |
Mentioned on page 207 as having taken disciplinary action against the witness, Conrad.
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| SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS | company |
Identified as the court reporting service at the bottom of the document.
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Timeline (3 events)
2012-02-15
Direct examination of witness Conrad in the case of UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL.
Courtroom
Locations (1)
| Location | Context |
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Named as the plaintiff in the legal case.
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Relationships (2)
The transcript reveals Conrad's husband is a convicted felon who served a seven and a half year sentence. She married him three years after he finished his sentence. (Page 206-207)
Key Quotes (3)
"I fought the good fight."Source
— Conrad
(A statement Conrad wrote, which the questioning attorney suggests was her way of telling Mr. Okula she was fighting for his side during a trial (Page 205).)
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"A job's a job, sir. That's how I see it."Source
— Conrad
(Her explanation on page 208 for why she did not feel an obligation to tell the Court about her past disciplinary action and suspension by the Bar Association.)
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Quote #2
"Those were my words."Source
— Conrad
(Her confirmation on page 208 that she previously stated her omissions and lies were done to make her more marketable as a juror.)
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Case 2:92-cr-00588-PMP-NJK Document 1644-120 Filed 03/24/14 Page 243 of 767
A-5661
A-5661
February 15, 2012
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v
PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL.,
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v
PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL.,
Page 205
C2FFDAU6 Conrad - direct
1 Q. You also say that you fought the good fight, correct?
2 A. Yes.
3 Q. And that was your way of telling Mr. Okula that you were
4 fighting for his side.
5 A. Not necessarily. After all of the evidence and
6 deliberations, the jury felt that we reached a fair verdict.
7 Q. I'm not asking about the jury. I'm asking about your
8 writing "I fought the good fight." That was your way of
9 telling Mr. Okula that you were fighting for his side.
10 A. At one point.
11 Q. And when you say you threw in the towel, I take it that's
12 also a sports image?
13 A. I can't answer that.
14 Q. At some point you stopped fighting the good fight.
15 A. Meaning?
16 Q. That's when you threw in the towel.
17 A. That was probably an incorrect way to describe the taking
18 into consideration all of the evidence at the end of the day.
19 Q. What did you call it? An odd way? A what sort of way?
20 A. I said at the end of the day.
21 Q. You said some sort of way, improper way? I couldn't
22 remember the objective.
23 MR. GAIR: Incorrect.
24 Q. An incorrect way. That was an incorrect way of saying it.
25 A. Maybe I said improper, I'm not sure.
C2FFDAU6 Conrad - direct
1 Q. You also say that you fought the good fight, correct?
2 A. Yes.
3 Q. And that was your way of telling Mr. Okula that you were
4 fighting for his side.
5 A. Not necessarily. After all of the evidence and
6 deliberations, the jury felt that we reached a fair verdict.
7 Q. I'm not asking about the jury. I'm asking about your
8 writing "I fought the good fight." That was your way of
9 telling Mr. Okula that you were fighting for his side.
10 A. At one point.
11 Q. And when you say you threw in the towel, I take it that's
12 also a sports image?
13 A. I can't answer that.
14 Q. At some point you stopped fighting the good fight.
15 A. Meaning?
16 Q. That's when you threw in the towel.
17 A. That was probably an incorrect way to describe the taking
18 into consideration all of the evidence at the end of the day.
19 Q. What did you call it? An odd way? A what sort of way?
20 A. I said at the end of the day.
21 Q. You said some sort of way, improper way? I couldn't
22 remember the objective.
23 MR. GAIR: Incorrect.
24 Q. An incorrect way. That was an incorrect way of saying it.
25 A. Maybe I said improper, I'm not sure.
Page 206
C2FFDAU6 Conrad - direct
1 Q. So when you said you fought the good fight and you've
2 thrown in the towel that was just an incorrect way of saying
3 you were unbiased.
4 A. At the end of the day after all the evidence was pored
5 over.
6 Q. When you say numbers don't lie, what numbers were you
7 referring to?
8 A. From Dr. DeRosa, the expert.
9 Q. His numbers.
10 A. Sure, and, to not get specific, but the lack of economic
11 substance in the transactions.
12 Q. So that's what you were referring to, Mr. Parse's knowledge
13 of the lack of economic substance in the transactions?
14 A. No. Not at all.
15 Q. So what is it you were referring to?
16 A. It was one component of the whole big picture.
17 Q. I see. Now, I think you told us earlier today you were
18 asked whether your husband is a convicted felon, and you said
19 so are most lawyers. And lots of people laughed. Do you
20 remember saying that?
21 A. Yes.
22 Q. And was that being, I think your word is smart a-s or smart
23 a-blank-blank?
24 A. Sure. Mr. Gair was asking me things about my husband that
25 I'm finding out right now today.
C2FFDAU6 Conrad - direct
1 Q. So when you said you fought the good fight and you've
2 thrown in the towel that was just an incorrect way of saying
3 you were unbiased.
4 A. At the end of the day after all the evidence was pored
5 over.
6 Q. When you say numbers don't lie, what numbers were you
7 referring to?
8 A. From Dr. DeRosa, the expert.
9 Q. His numbers.
10 A. Sure, and, to not get specific, but the lack of economic
11 substance in the transactions.
12 Q. So that's what you were referring to, Mr. Parse's knowledge
13 of the lack of economic substance in the transactions?
14 A. No. Not at all.
15 Q. So what is it you were referring to?
16 A. It was one component of the whole big picture.
17 Q. I see. Now, I think you told us earlier today you were
18 asked whether your husband is a convicted felon, and you said
19 so are most lawyers. And lots of people laughed. Do you
20 remember saying that?
21 A. Yes.
22 Q. And was that being, I think your word is smart a-s or smart
23 a-blank-blank?
24 A. Sure. Mr. Gair was asking me things about my husband that
25 I'm finding out right now today.
Page 207
C2FFDAU6 Conrad - direct
1 Q. Well, you knew most of that stuff.
2 A. I don't even know if I knew most of it.
3 Q. You knew when you married him that he just finished a seven
4 and a half year sentence.
5 A. We got married three years after he finished his sentence.
6 Q. And you knew he was unemployed.
7 A. Yes.
8 Q. And you knew he hadn't owned a bus company since 25 years?
9 A. About that.
10 Q. And so when you said today "so are most lawyers," that was
11 just smart ass.
12 A. Sure.
13 Q. And when you were asked and the jurors were asked whether
14 you had any unpleasant experiences with lawyers, accountants,
15 financial planners, you didn't raise your hand on that question
16 or in voir dire, did you?
17 A. That's correct.
18 Q. And you had had unpleasant experiences with lawyers, hadn't
19 you?
20 A. I don't know what you mean.
21 Q. Well, I mean, two of them referred you to the Bar
22 Association for disciplinary action.
23 A. I don't look at it that way, sir.
24 Q. That was a pleasant experience?
25 A. It's just an experience. I don't have my endorphins go
C2FFDAU6 Conrad - direct
1 Q. Well, you knew most of that stuff.
2 A. I don't even know if I knew most of it.
3 Q. You knew when you married him that he just finished a seven
4 and a half year sentence.
5 A. We got married three years after he finished his sentence.
6 Q. And you knew he was unemployed.
7 A. Yes.
8 Q. And you knew he hadn't owned a bus company since 25 years?
9 A. About that.
10 Q. And so when you said today "so are most lawyers," that was
11 just smart ass.
12 A. Sure.
13 Q. And when you were asked and the jurors were asked whether
14 you had any unpleasant experiences with lawyers, accountants,
15 financial planners, you didn't raise your hand on that question
16 or in voir dire, did you?
17 A. That's correct.
18 Q. And you had had unpleasant experiences with lawyers, hadn't
19 you?
20 A. I don't know what you mean.
21 Q. Well, I mean, two of them referred you to the Bar
22 Association for disciplinary action.
23 A. I don't look at it that way, sir.
24 Q. That was a pleasant experience?
25 A. It's just an experience. I don't have my endorphins go
Page 208
C2FFDAU6 Conrad - direct
1 wild over it, so I don't really know what you're getting at.
2 Q. So you didn't feel you had any obligation to tell the Court
3 when the Court asked whether you had any unpleasant experiences
4 with lawyers that two had referred you to the disciplinary
5 committee, that the disciplinary committee brought charges
6 against you and that a panel of judges, indeed two panels,
7 right, suspended you?
8 A. A job's a job, sir. That's how I see it.
9 Q. So you didn't think you had any obligation to tell the
10 Court any of that because a job's a job.
11 A. I don't think that was your original question, but -- that
12 was another omission, sir.
13 Q. That was an omission?
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. Now, I take it that one of the things we've learned today,
16 Ms. Conrad, is that all of your omissions and lies, whatever
17 you call them, were done to make you more marketable as a
18 juror, is that correct?
19 A. Those were my words.
20 Q. And that would be correct, right?
21 A. That's what I said. Whether it was correct or not, that's
22 not for me to decide.
23 Q. No, that's totally for you to decide. Are those words
24 accurate? Were you trying to be a more marketable juror?
25 A. I said this, yes.
C2FFDAU6 Conrad - direct
1 wild over it, so I don't really know what you're getting at.
2 Q. So you didn't feel you had any obligation to tell the Court
3 when the Court asked whether you had any unpleasant experiences
4 with lawyers that two had referred you to the disciplinary
5 committee, that the disciplinary committee brought charges
6 against you and that a panel of judges, indeed two panels,
7 right, suspended you?
8 A. A job's a job, sir. That's how I see it.
9 Q. So you didn't think you had any obligation to tell the
10 Court any of that because a job's a job.
11 A. I don't think that was your original question, but -- that
12 was another omission, sir.
13 Q. That was an omission?
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. Now, I take it that one of the things we've learned today,
16 Ms. Conrad, is that all of your omissions and lies, whatever
17 you call them, were done to make you more marketable as a
18 juror, is that correct?
19 A. Those were my words.
20 Q. And that would be correct, right?
21 A. That's what I said. Whether it was correct or not, that's
22 not for me to decide.
23 Q. No, that's totally for you to decide. Are those words
24 accurate? Were you trying to be a more marketable juror?
25 A. I said this, yes.
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