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Extraction Summary
14
People
3
Organizations
1
Locations
2
Events
3
Relationships
4
Quotes
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Deposition transcript
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Summary
These transcript pages document the testimony of Scott Rothstein, who admits to using the Jeffrey Epstein case to further his Ponzi scheme when he needed an influx of money. Rothstein states he learned of Epstein's billionaire status through his partner Russ Adler and internet research. The testimony also covers administrative details of the RRA law firm, specifically how travel expenses were approved for various attorneys.
People (14)
| Name | Role | Context |
|---|---|---|
| Scott Rothstein | Witness |
Being deposed regarding his law firm, expenses, and involvement with the Epstein case.
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| Jeffrey Epstein | Subject |
Discussed as a billionaire client; Rothstein used his case to further a Ponzi scheme.
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| Jack Goldberger | Attorney |
Conducts the 'Further Direct Examination' on page 92.
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| Ms. Haddad | Attorney |
Conducts questioning regarding travel expenses and personnel.
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| Russ Adler | Attorney/Partner |
Told Rothstein that Epstein was a billionaire; handled travel approvals for Brad Edwards.
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| Brad Edwards | Attorney |
Referred to as 'Brad' and 'Mr. Edwards'. Interjects to say 'No' regarding Wayne Black.
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| Wayne Black | Investigator (Potential) |
Rothstein is questioned about hiring him and his connection to Ron Cacciatore.
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| Ron Cacciatore | Individual |
Possibly associated with Wayne Black.
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| Ms. Stay | CFO |
Chief Financial Officer of the firm; would handle expense issues.
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| Mr. Nurik | Lawyer |
Senior lawyer whose travel Rothstein did not micromanage.
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| Mr. Rosenfeldt | Lawyer |
Senior lawyer whose travel Rothstein did not micromanage.
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| Mr. Boden | Lawyer |
Senior lawyer whose travel Rothstein did not micromanage.
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| Mr. Lippman | Lawyer |
Senior lawyer whose travel Rothstein did not micromanage.
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| Shawn Birken | Lawyer |
Described as a 'younger lawyer' whose expenses might be scrutinized.
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Organizations (3)
| Name | Type | Context |
|---|---|---|
| RRA |
Rothstein Rosenfeldt Adler (Law Firm); described as having a 'legitimate portion'.
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| Ritz Carlton |
Mentioned hypothetically as an expensive hotel a junior lawyer might try to book.
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| Friedman, Lombardi & Olson |
Court reporting firm listed in the footer.
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Timeline (2 events)
Unknown (Past)
Rothstein researches Epstein on the internet to confirm he is a billionaire.
Unknown
Unknown (Past)
Rothstein decides to use the Epstein case to further his Ponzi scheme due to a need for an influx of money.
Unknown
Locations (1)
| Location | Context |
|---|---|
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General reference to travel locations for depositions.
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Relationships (3)
Rothstein used Epstein's case to further his Ponzi scheme; researched his wealth.
Adler informed Rothstein about Epstein's wealth; Adler handled travel approvals for Brad Edwards.
Rothstein trusted Brad to handle cases and expenses.
Key Quotes (4)
"I remember looking up an seeing that he was very wealthy, that he was a billionaire."Source
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"Was it prior to your needing to use the Epstein case to further your Ponzi scheme? A. Yes."Source
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"Because it was a legitimate case in the legitimate portion of RRA that I had reason to believe"Source
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Quote #3
"I think you indicated that you needed an influx of money at some point and that's when you decided to use the Epstein case in furtherance of the Ponzi scheme; is that correct? A. Yes."Source
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Page 90
1 A. Did Wayne Black work for Ron Cacciatore?
2 Q. Are you asking me --
3 A. I'm asking anyone in the room who wants to
4 talk to me.
5 Q. I love to talk to you, but I don't know the
6 answer to that question. He might have. Brad might
7 be able to tell you.
8 MR. EDWARDS: No.
9 THE WITNESS: When you said Wayne Black's
10 name again and that I hired him to do something, I
11 seem to think that he may have been associated in
12 some way with Mr. Cacciatore, but I'm not sure one
13 way or the other. I don't remember whether or not I
14 met Mr. Black, it's possible I did, it's also
15 possible I did not. And I don't have an independent
16 recollection of retaining him to do anything or
17 whether I was part and parcel of the decision if we
18 did, in fact, retain him, whether I was part and
19 parcel of the decision to retain him.
20 BY MS. HADDAD:
21 Q. Traveling out of state for depositions for
22 the particular cases, did you have to approve that?
23 A. It would depend upon who the lawyers were,
24 the significance of the expense. It would have been
25 case by case. I certainly would not have been
1 A. Did Wayne Black work for Ron Cacciatore?
2 Q. Are you asking me --
3 A. I'm asking anyone in the room who wants to
4 talk to me.
5 Q. I love to talk to you, but I don't know the
6 answer to that question. He might have. Brad might
7 be able to tell you.
8 MR. EDWARDS: No.
9 THE WITNESS: When you said Wayne Black's
10 name again and that I hired him to do something, I
11 seem to think that he may have been associated in
12 some way with Mr. Cacciatore, but I'm not sure one
13 way or the other. I don't remember whether or not I
14 met Mr. Black, it's possible I did, it's also
15 possible I did not. And I don't have an independent
16 recollection of retaining him to do anything or
17 whether I was part and parcel of the decision if we
18 did, in fact, retain him, whether I was part and
19 parcel of the decision to retain him.
20 BY MS. HADDAD:
21 Q. Traveling out of state for depositions for
22 the particular cases, did you have to approve that?
23 A. It would depend upon who the lawyers were,
24 the significance of the expense. It would have been
25 case by case. I certainly would not have been
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1 approving or disapproving Mr. Nurik's travel,
2 Mr. Rosenfeldt's travel, Mr. Boden's travel,
3 Mr. Lippman's travel. That was their own thing.
4 If a younger lawyer like a Shawn Birken came
5 to me and said he need to travel out of state for
6 something, if it was just for a deposition, I wouldn't
7 have gotten involved in that unless he was telling my
8 CFO, Ms. Stay, that he wanted to fly first class and
9 stay in the Ritz Carlton, then I would have gotten
10 involved. But other than that, no. The firm was too
11 big for me to get involved on a daily basis with all
12 that stuff.
13 Q. If Brad had to go out of state to take a
14 deposition, you wouldn't be the person to approve or
15 disapprove that?
16 A. Russ Adler would have handled that. And if
17 there was an issue, Russ would have come to me. And I
18 don't know what the relationship was specifically
19 between Brad and Russ, but it's certainly possible
20 that Brad just was going to go do what he needed to do
21 to properly handle the case and I would have trusted
22 him to do that.
23 MS. HADDAD: Can we just take a second. We
24 are going to take a minute, okay?
25 THE WITNESS: Sure.
1 approving or disapproving Mr. Nurik's travel,
2 Mr. Rosenfeldt's travel, Mr. Boden's travel,
3 Mr. Lippman's travel. That was their own thing.
4 If a younger lawyer like a Shawn Birken came
5 to me and said he need to travel out of state for
6 something, if it was just for a deposition, I wouldn't
7 have gotten involved in that unless he was telling my
8 CFO, Ms. Stay, that he wanted to fly first class and
9 stay in the Ritz Carlton, then I would have gotten
10 involved. But other than that, no. The firm was too
11 big for me to get involved on a daily basis with all
12 that stuff.
13 Q. If Brad had to go out of state to take a
14 deposition, you wouldn't be the person to approve or
15 disapprove that?
16 A. Russ Adler would have handled that. And if
17 there was an issue, Russ would have come to me. And I
18 don't know what the relationship was specifically
19 between Brad and Russ, but it's certainly possible
20 that Brad just was going to go do what he needed to do
21 to properly handle the case and I would have trusted
22 him to do that.
23 MS. HADDAD: Can we just take a second. We
24 are going to take a minute, okay?
25 THE WITNESS: Sure.
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1 [Short recess taken.]
2 FURTHER DIRECT EXAMINATION
3 BY MR. GOLDBERGER:
4 Q. All right. Mr. Rothstein, Jack Goldberger,
5 I'm going to ask you some questions now. You
6 testified that you knew Jeffrey Epstein was a
7 billionaire. You did testify to that today, correct?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. Okay. Tell me how you knew that. How did
10 you know that Mr. Epstein was a billionaire?
11 A. Russ Adler told me. I looked him up on the
12 internet.
13 Q. What did you look on the internet about
14 Mr. Epstein?
15 A. I don't recall, but I remember looking up an
16 seeing that he was very wealthy, that he was a
17 billionaire.
18 Q. Okay. So as far as learning that
19 Mr. Epstein was a billionaire, you learned via two
20 ways, one was from Russ Adler, correct? Is that
21 correct?
22 A. Yes, sir.
23 Q. And the other was through looking up
24 Mr. Epstein on the internet, correct?
25 A. Yes.
1 [Short recess taken.]
2 FURTHER DIRECT EXAMINATION
3 BY MR. GOLDBERGER:
4 Q. All right. Mr. Rothstein, Jack Goldberger,
5 I'm going to ask you some questions now. You
6 testified that you knew Jeffrey Epstein was a
7 billionaire. You did testify to that today, correct?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. Okay. Tell me how you knew that. How did
10 you know that Mr. Epstein was a billionaire?
11 A. Russ Adler told me. I looked him up on the
12 internet.
13 Q. What did you look on the internet about
14 Mr. Epstein?
15 A. I don't recall, but I remember looking up an
16 seeing that he was very wealthy, that he was a
17 billionaire.
18 Q. Okay. So as far as learning that
19 Mr. Epstein was a billionaire, you learned via two
20 ways, one was from Russ Adler, correct? Is that
21 correct?
22 A. Yes, sir.
23 Q. And the other was through looking up
24 Mr. Epstein on the internet, correct?
25 A. Yes.
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1 Q. Okay. And you don't know what you reviewed
2 on the internet in an effort to determine that
3 Mr. Epstein was a billionaire; is that correct?
4 A. I do not recall.
5 Q. Do you know when you did that?
6 A. I do not.
7 Q. Was it prior to your needing to use the
8 Epstein case to further your Ponzi scheme?
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. Okay. So prior to -- I think you indicated
11 that you needed an influx of money at some point and
12 that's when you decided to use the Epstein case in
13 furtherance of the Ponzi scheme; is that correct?
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. So prior to that time though, prior to
16 determining that you needed to use the Epstein case
17 for the Ponzi scheme, you looked up Mr. Epstein and
18 you spoke to Mr. Adler about his work; is that
19 correct?
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. Why did you do that, Mr. Rothstein, if you
22 weren't using the Epstein case at that point in your
23 Ponzi scheme?
24 A. Because it was a legitimate case in the
25 legitimate portion of RRA that I had reason to believe
1 Q. Okay. And you don't know what you reviewed
2 on the internet in an effort to determine that
3 Mr. Epstein was a billionaire; is that correct?
4 A. I do not recall.
5 Q. Do you know when you did that?
6 A. I do not.
7 Q. Was it prior to your needing to use the
8 Epstein case to further your Ponzi scheme?
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. Okay. So prior to -- I think you indicated
11 that you needed an influx of money at some point and
12 that's when you decided to use the Epstein case in
13 furtherance of the Ponzi scheme; is that correct?
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. So prior to that time though, prior to
16 determining that you needed to use the Epstein case
17 for the Ponzi scheme, you looked up Mr. Epstein and
18 you spoke to Mr. Adler about his work; is that
19 correct?
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. Why did you do that, Mr. Rothstein, if you
22 weren't using the Epstein case at that point in your
23 Ponzi scheme?
24 A. Because it was a legitimate case in the
25 legitimate portion of RRA that I had reason to believe
24 (Pages 90 to 93)
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