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This document is a court transcript from February 15, 2012, detailing the cross-examination of a juror, Ms. Conrad. Attorney Mr. Shechtman questions her about why she made several omissions during jury selection, including failing to disclose her husband's criminal history. The questioning explores her motivations, such as a $40/day juror stipend, unemployment, and an intellectual curiosity for the courtroom, and challenges her distinction between an "omission" and a "lie".
People (7)
| Name | Role | Context |
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| Ms. Conrad | Witness / Juror |
The individual being cross-examined about omissions made during voir dire.
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| MR. SHECHTMAN | Attorney |
The attorney conducting the cross-examination of Ms. Conrad.
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| MR. GAIR | Attorney |
An attorney who states "Nothing further, Your Honor" on page 229.
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| THE COURT | Judge |
Presiding over the legal proceedings, referred to as "Your Honor".
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| Mr. Okula | Attorney |
An attorney who previously questioned Ms. Conrad about her motivations for being on the jury.
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| PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL. | Defendant |
Named as the defendant in the case UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL.
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| Grace | Relative of witness |
The name of Ms. Conrad's elderly maternal aunt whom she takes care of.
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Organizations (2)
| Name | Type | Context |
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| UNITED STATES OF AMERICA | government agency |
The plaintiff in the case against Paul M. Daugerdas, et al.
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| SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS | company |
The court reporting service that transcribed the document.
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Timeline (3 events)
2012-02-15
Cross-examination of witness Ms. Conrad by attorney Mr. Shechtman regarding her statements and omissions during the jury selection process (voir dire).
Courtroom
The jury selection process where Ms. Conrad was questioned and made omissions about her husband's criminal history, her travel habits, and her care for an elderly aunt.
Courtroom
Ms. Conrad
Attorneys
Locations (1)
| Location | Context |
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A location Ms. Conrad stated she and her husband travel to.
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Relationships (3)
Ms. Conrad refers to her husband and their travel. The transcript reveals he has a criminal history which she omitted during voir dire.
Mr. Shechtman is an attorney conducting an adversarial cross-examination of Ms. Conrad, who is a witness.
Ms. Conrad identifies Grace as her maternal aunt whom she takes care of once or twice a week.
Key Quotes (3)
"I have been using the word "omission," that's correct."Source
— Ms. Conrad
(In response to Mr. Shechtman's question about her reluctance to use the word "lie".)
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"It's already been destroyed, sir. It was destroyed December 18, 2007, when I got suspended."Source
— Ms. Conrad
(Explaining why the risk to her legal career was not a deterrent to perjury, as it was already damaged.)
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"No. It's the intellectual stimulation, sir, beyond the dollars and cents, the $40 and change or whatever, and keeping busy. And I hadn't been in a courtroom, and I enjoy and like the dynamics of it."Source
— Ms. Conrad
(Explaining her motivations for wanting to be on the jury, aside from the $40/day stipend.)
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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v
PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL.,
PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL.,
February 15, 2012
Page 229
C2frdau7 Conrad - redirect
1 concerned at the voir dire that you didn't reveal your criminal
2 history because the defendants would want criminals on the
3 jury?
4 A. I can't put thoughts or words in the defendants' minds and
5 mouths.
6 Q. Isn't that what you said? Didn't you say something like
7 you thought at the time that they would be jumping up and down
8 if they knew that you had a husband for a criminal -- a
9 criminal for a husband? Didn't you say that?
10 A. Yes, to be taken in the context of, if anything, one would
11 think I would have been biased towards the defendants, in favor
12 of the defendants, which I was not, either the prosecution or
13 the defense. I was unbiased.
14 Q. You told yourself at the time that it was OK from the
15 defendants' perspective because, if anything, somebody who was
16 married to a criminal would tend to favor other criminals,
17 right?
18 A. I guess it can be characterized as that.
19 MR. GAIR: Nothing further, Your Honor.
20 THE COURT: Mr. Shechtman?
21 MR. SHECHTMAN: I'll be brief, Your Honor.
22 CROSS-EXAMINATION
23 BY MR. SHECHTMAN:
24 Q. Ms. Conrad, you continue to call these omissions, am I
25 correct, and you're reluctant to use the word "lie"?
C2frdau7 Conrad - redirect
1 concerned at the voir dire that you didn't reveal your criminal
2 history because the defendants would want criminals on the
3 jury?
4 A. I can't put thoughts or words in the defendants' minds and
5 mouths.
6 Q. Isn't that what you said? Didn't you say something like
7 you thought at the time that they would be jumping up and down
8 if they knew that you had a husband for a criminal -- a
9 criminal for a husband? Didn't you say that?
10 A. Yes, to be taken in the context of, if anything, one would
11 think I would have been biased towards the defendants, in favor
12 of the defendants, which I was not, either the prosecution or
13 the defense. I was unbiased.
14 Q. You told yourself at the time that it was OK from the
15 defendants' perspective because, if anything, somebody who was
16 married to a criminal would tend to favor other criminals,
17 right?
18 A. I guess it can be characterized as that.
19 MR. GAIR: Nothing further, Your Honor.
20 THE COURT: Mr. Shechtman?
21 MR. SHECHTMAN: I'll be brief, Your Honor.
22 CROSS-EXAMINATION
23 BY MR. SHECHTMAN:
24 Q. Ms. Conrad, you continue to call these omissions, am I
25 correct, and you're reluctant to use the word "lie"?
Page 230
C2frdau7 Conrad - cross
1 A. I have been using the word "omission," that's correct.
2 Q. If you can look at your voir dire, which I think is
3 Government Exhibit 2, when you told the Court, "we travel," you
4 and your husband, was that a true statement?
5 A. It was. We don't travel much anymore.
6 Q. Since when have you not traveled?
7 A. Maybe about over a year ago.
8 Q. Where did you travel to?
9 A. Usually Jersey.
10 Q. So the "we travel" part of this was we travel to New
11 Jersey?
12 A. Sure.
13 Q. The elderly aunt that you take care of is who?
14 MR. OKULA: I'm sorry. I'm having a hard time
15 hearing.
16 Q. The elderly aunt that you take care of is who?
17 A. My maternal aunt.
18 Q. Her name?
19 A. Grace.
20 Q. How often do you take care of her?
21 A. Once to twice a week.
22 Q. I take it you said both those things, the "we travel" but
23 omitted New Jersey and the elderly aunt, so that you would seem
24 like you were a more marketable juror?
25 A. I don't know. I'm not sure.
C2frdau7 Conrad - cross
1 A. I have been using the word "omission," that's correct.
2 Q. If you can look at your voir dire, which I think is
3 Government Exhibit 2, when you told the Court, "we travel," you
4 and your husband, was that a true statement?
5 A. It was. We don't travel much anymore.
6 Q. Since when have you not traveled?
7 A. Maybe about over a year ago.
8 Q. Where did you travel to?
9 A. Usually Jersey.
10 Q. So the "we travel" part of this was we travel to New
11 Jersey?
12 A. Sure.
13 Q. The elderly aunt that you take care of is who?
14 MR. OKULA: I'm sorry. I'm having a hard time
15 hearing.
16 Q. The elderly aunt that you take care of is who?
17 A. My maternal aunt.
18 Q. Her name?
19 A. Grace.
20 Q. How often do you take care of her?
21 A. Once to twice a week.
22 Q. I take it you said both those things, the "we travel" but
23 omitted New Jersey and the elderly aunt, so that you would seem
24 like you were a more marketable juror?
25 A. I don't know. I'm not sure.
Page 231
C2frdau7 Conrad - cross
1 Q. Mr. Okula asked you some questions about your motivation
2 for being on the jury, and he said that you were interested in
3 part, and you agreed, on the $40 per day, is that correct? Was
4 that one of your motives for wanting to be on the jury?
5 A. It wasn't a conscious factor, no. Not really, no.
6 Q. You weren't going to perjure yourself and destroy your
7 legal career for $40 a day, were you?
8 A. It's already been destroyed, sir. It was destroyed
9 December 18, 2007, when I got suspended.
10 Q. You were in the process of trying to undestroy it at the
11 very same time you came into this court and committed perjury,
12 didn't you?
13 A. Sure.
14 Q. Mr. Okula suggested that one of your motives was that the
15 description of the case piqued your curiosity. Was that one of
16 your motives?
17 A. That was an added bonus.
18 Q. But not a motive for being on the jury?
19 A. I knew I could be a fair and just juror.
20 Q. That you have said.
21 A. Excuse me?
22 Q. I said I've heard you say that. But was one of your
23 motives that you wanted to be on this case because it piqued
24 your curiosity?
25 A. I guess partially.
C2frdau7 Conrad - cross
1 Q. Mr. Okula asked you some questions about your motivation
2 for being on the jury, and he said that you were interested in
3 part, and you agreed, on the $40 per day, is that correct? Was
4 that one of your motives for wanting to be on the jury?
5 A. It wasn't a conscious factor, no. Not really, no.
6 Q. You weren't going to perjure yourself and destroy your
7 legal career for $40 a day, were you?
8 A. It's already been destroyed, sir. It was destroyed
9 December 18, 2007, when I got suspended.
10 Q. You were in the process of trying to undestroy it at the
11 very same time you came into this court and committed perjury,
12 didn't you?
13 A. Sure.
14 Q. Mr. Okula suggested that one of your motives was that the
15 description of the case piqued your curiosity. Was that one of
16 your motives?
17 A. That was an added bonus.
18 Q. But not a motive for being on the jury?
19 A. I knew I could be a fair and just juror.
20 Q. That you have said.
21 A. Excuse me?
22 Q. I said I've heard you say that. But was one of your
23 motives that you wanted to be on this case because it piqued
24 your curiosity?
25 A. I guess partially.
Page 232
C2frdau7 Conrad - cross
1 Q. And you thought it was worth lying about your background to
2 be on a case because it piqued your curiosity?
3 A. No, that's not a correct characterization of it.
4 Q. So, if there is a suggestion that you lied in order to get
5 the $40 a day --
6 A. I never said that. I never testified about that.
7 Q. Or you lied --
8 A. I said the stipend was not a factor.
9 Q. Didn't you tell Mr. Okula just the opposite, that the
10 stipend was partly a factor?
11 A. It wasn't a motivating factor.
12 Q. You didn't lie in order to get the $40 stipend and you
13 didn't lie because the case piqued your curiosity, are we
14 correct on that?
15 A. No. It did pique my curiosity.
16 Q. Is that why you lied on voir dire?
17 A. There are a few reasons. I was unemployed.
18 Q. So the $40 a day was a factor?
19 A. No. It's the intellectual stimulation, sir, beyond the
20 dollars and cents, the $40 and change or whatever, and keeping
21 busy. And I hadn't been in a courtroom, and I enjoy and like
22 the dynamics of it.
23 Q. If someone asked you why you perjured yourself repeatedly,
24 you would say, because I wanted to be in a courtroom?
25 A. I think I just enumerated the other reasons to you as well.
C2frdau7 Conrad - cross
1 Q. And you thought it was worth lying about your background to
2 be on a case because it piqued your curiosity?
3 A. No, that's not a correct characterization of it.
4 Q. So, if there is a suggestion that you lied in order to get
5 the $40 a day --
6 A. I never said that. I never testified about that.
7 Q. Or you lied --
8 A. I said the stipend was not a factor.
9 Q. Didn't you tell Mr. Okula just the opposite, that the
10 stipend was partly a factor?
11 A. It wasn't a motivating factor.
12 Q. You didn't lie in order to get the $40 stipend and you
13 didn't lie because the case piqued your curiosity, are we
14 correct on that?
15 A. No. It did pique my curiosity.
16 Q. Is that why you lied on voir dire?
17 A. There are a few reasons. I was unemployed.
18 Q. So the $40 a day was a factor?
19 A. No. It's the intellectual stimulation, sir, beyond the
20 dollars and cents, the $40 and change or whatever, and keeping
21 busy. And I hadn't been in a courtroom, and I enjoy and like
22 the dynamics of it.
23 Q. If someone asked you why you perjured yourself repeatedly,
24 you would say, because I wanted to be in a courtroom?
25 A. I think I just enumerated the other reasons to you as well.
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