Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24-cft (Redacted).pdf

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United States Department of Justice
INTERVIEW OF: GHISLAINE MAXWELL
DATE: July 24, 2025
APPEARANCES:
For the United States:
Todd Blanche, Deputy Attorney General
Diego Pestana, Acting Associate Deputy
Attorney General
Spencer Horn, FBI Special Agent
Mark Beard, Deputy U.S. Marshal
For Ghislaine Maxwell:
David Markus
Leah Saffian
Melissa Madrigal

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1 I N T E R V I E W
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3 TODD BLANCHE: I am going to ask everybody
4 to put their name on the record here.
5 SPENCER HORN: Good morning. My name is
6 Assistant Special Agent in Charge, Spencer Horn of
7 FBI, New York.
8 Today we're doing a proffer of
9 Ms. Maxwell. The date is July 24th and the time is
10 10:12 a.m. This interview is being recorded.
11 TODD BLANCHE: And my name is Todd
12 Blanche. I'm the Deputy Attorney General. And
13 before we start formally asking questions of
14 Ms. Maxwell, I'm going to put on the record everybody
15 that's in this room, in addition to me, starting with
16 you, Diego.
17 DIEGO PESTANA: Diego Pestana, Associate
18 Deputy Attorney General.
19 TODD BLANCHE: And then you heard from
20 Special Agent in Charge Horn. Mark Beard from the
21 United States Marshal Service is here as well.
22 And then David.
23 DAVID MARKUS: Yes. This is David Oscar
24 Markus, and I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell.
25 LEAH SAFFIAN: My name is Leah Saffian and

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1 I'm counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell.
2 MELISSA MADRIGAL: My name is
3 Melissa Madrigal and I'm counsel for Ghislaine
4 Maxwell.
5 TODD BLANCHE: Go ahead.
6 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: And I'm -- I'm
7 Ghislaine Maxwell.
8 TODD BLANCHE: Good morning, Ms. Maxwell.
9 How are you?
10 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Good morning,
11 Mr. Blanche.
12 TODD BLANCHE: Good. Okay. So before we
13 started recording, we met for a few minutes. I
14 introduced myself and we -- we've chatted and now
15 I've told you that we were going on the record. And
16 before we start asking questions, I know that you've
17 been given, by your lawyer, a copy of what's called a
18 proffer agreement.
19 And I just want to spend two minutes
20 making sure that you understand what -- what governs
21 our conversation today. The most important part of
22 this agreement is that this isn't a cooperation
23 agreement, meaning that by you meeting with us today,
24 we're really just meeting, I'm not promising to do
25 anything.

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1 I'm not promising to ask Judge Nathan or
2 any of the judges that's been assigned to your case
3 to do anything. It -- we're just talking. And so
4 that's the most important -- important part of -- of
5 this agreement.
6 However, almost as important is the fact
7 that what this agreement does for you is it gives you
8 protection. So what it means is that the government
9 cannot use what you say today against you, with some
10 exceptions, which we'll talk about in a minute.
11 But whatever you talk about today, you
12 have what's called immunity. So that means that the
13 words that you say today, we cannot use against you
14 in a case in chief, if we were ever to bring one.
15 Okay?
16 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Thank you.
17 TODD BLANCHE: All right. There's
18 exceptions to that. The most meaningful one of which
19 is that, if you say something today that's not true,
20 that's a lie, we can bring a prosecution against you
21 for what's called false statements.
22 So I'm a federal officer, I have several
23 officers here. The FBI is here. And if -- if you
24 lie to someone that's -- like me or like Special
25 Agent Horn, it's a crime. So you have to be

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1 truthful.
2 The other exception to this, that doesn't
3 necessarily apply directly to you, but if there ever
4 was a retrial in your case, or if there ever was a --
5 a criminal case -- a future criminal case against
6 you, and your lawyer or you said something different
7 or took a position that's different than what you say
8 today, we can then cross examine you or a witness,
9 based upon what you say today.
10 So it's a little bit nuanced, meaning I
11 can't use what you say against you in our case in
12 chief. However, if you were to testify or if your
13 lawyer called a witness to testify, and they said
14 something that is totally different than what you say
15 today, we could then cross examine you or the witness
16 and say, hey, do you remember when we met with
17 Ms. Wax -- when we met with Ms. Maxwell back in July
18 of 2025? She told us and then say what she said.
19 Okay?
20 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I understand.
21 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. Other than that,
22 you -- I -- I know you didn't have a lot of time this
23 morning to meet with -- with -- with Mr. Markus, but
24 did -- did you have a chance to go over this briefly
25 with him?

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1 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I did.
2 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. All right. So I've
3 already signed it, as has Special Agent Horn --
4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Okay.
5 TODD BLANCHE: -- and Mr. Markus signed it
6 as well. So you got a pen, please sign it --
7 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Right here?
8 TODD BLANCHE: -- right where it says
9 "client." Yes.
10 And I will provide a copy of this to -- to
11 your lawyer so you guys have it.
12 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Thank you.
13 TODD BLANCHE: Okay, thank you.
14 So Ms. Maxwell, about a week and a half
15 ago or two weeks ago --
16 SPENCER HORN: Can you see the light
17 blinking on there? On the Sony? Yeah, there it is.
18 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. We're just confirming
19 that it works and it does.
20 Ms. Maxwell, I guess about a week and a
21 half or two weeks ago, Mr. Markus reached out to me
22 and said that -- that you wanted to speak with
23 somebody from the government about, not only your
24 case, but about everything that's been in the media
25 and that's been publicized about Mr. Epstein in your

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1 case.
2 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's --
3 TODD BLANCHE: Did he --
4 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: That's true and I did
5 speak to him and I did ask him if -- oh, and did tell
6 him that I would be very keen to talk to anyone,
7 because no one from the government, at any time, ever
8 in the -- since the inception of the case, so dating
9 back to the early 2000s, has ever spoken to me, and
10 indeed, I believe ever reached out to me at any time
11 to even speak to me. And that includes up to when I
12 was indicted and prosecuted.
13 I believe that -- or I understand, I
14 should say, rather, that my attorneys, at the time,
15 did tell the government that I wanted to speak to
16 them, because I was very keen to meet with anyone, so
17 that I could tell or have them ask me any question.
18 I've never had any problem to -- to speak
19 to anybody. And I offered myself and I kept asking,
20 if they would meet with me, so I could talk to them
21 and for whatever reason --
22 TODD BLANCHE: Okay.
23 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- that was not
24 happening.
25 TODD BLANCHE: Okay. I have questions

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1 that I want to ask you, but I'm not -- if there's a
2 path that -- a question that I'm not asking, that you
3 think should be asked, I -- I invite you to
4 volunteer. Same thing goes to your lawyers.
5 Just to start a little bit very briefly,
6 can you talk about when you first met Mr. Epstein. I
7 know that goes back a while. And just very generally
8 talk about your relationship with Mr. Epstein, from
9 the time you met him all the way up until -- until
10 his death.
11 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I met Mr. Epstein in
12 1991. My -- I had -- I had never heard of him or met
13 him before. And no one in my family had ever either.
14 My father never knew him. And I'll explain why that
15 is the case. I met --
16 TODD BLANCHE: Where did you -- where --
17 where did you meet him?
18 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I had a girlfriend
19 who -- I -- I was -- yeah. I had moved to America,
20 briefly, in -- well, I'd moved to America in 1990.
21 TODD BLANCHE: Okay.
22 GHISLAINE MAXWELL: I -- well "moved,"
23 that's a big word. I'd come to visit America in
24 1990. I had been running my own company up until
25 that time, which was a company called Maxwell's

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1 Corporate Gifts.
2 And I had also been working for my father
3 at the time. I had multiple jobs with him. I was --
4 in 1990 I was working with a -- a new company of his,
5 a new -- a new newspaper that he was launching,
6 called The European.
7 And I was in charge of launching a
8 magazine to go with the -- The European. And I was
9 traveling at that time from England to America,
10 because my father was looking to -- well, he'd also
11 bought McMillan the -- the publishing house. And he
12 had purchased the New York Daily News.
13 And it's truth that my father always
14 wanted me to come back, full time and work for him,
15 but that's a much longer story I don't think we need
16 to go into at this time.
17 So -- but I was always working with him.
18 There was no escaping it were -- as it were to -- to
19 work for him.
20 So in 1990, I had come over to New York,
21 to help look at some of that. He was having some
22 advertising issues with the New York Daily News. And
23 in fact, I met -- I may have met Donald Trump at that
24 time, because my father was friendly with him and
25 liked him very much. And I think, should be said

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