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evidence was collected, and Brad Edwards became aware
of it after the second deposition. It's in the
criminal complaint. The truth is different from
what's in both the criminal complaint and in that FBI
affidavit, and in Brad Edward's own statements on the
subject.
The truth is that Alfredo Rodriguez was
deposed twice, once in July and once in August. And
in the July deposition, told Brad Edwards that he had
handwritten notes or a journal, whatever, in the
deposition.
And Brad Edwards replies, well, we're
going to come back for a second deposition. And the
second deposition takes place in August.
What this means is that Brad Edwards had
access to the list from sometime between July and
August, until when he actually called the FBI in
October. So we're talking six months or so.
Rothstein's firm was raided a few days
after the list went into the FBI's hands, and,
subsequently, Rothstein himself was prosecuted for
RICO, and I believe went to jail for 50 years.
As part of that RICO case, he admitted to,
on the record, and was I don't know whether he was
prosecuted for creating fake settlements and fake
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TODD BLANCHE: So when we stopped to take
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a break, we were talking about what has been publicly
discussed as a black book or the Epstein list. And
that's where we are.
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So you said you think you might know or
that you're aware of kind of the origin of this
narrative.
GHISLAINE MAXWELL: Right. I just want to
reiterate again, there is no list that I am aware of.
I've never, at any time, at least during the period
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TODD BLANCHE: Okay.
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GHISLAINE MAXWELL:
present.
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The origin of this story, I believe,
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begins
or it has a beginning in 2009, and then it
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has a prequel but we have to start in 2009.
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In 2009, there is -- Epstein is, I think,
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out of jail, and there are civil suits taking place.
Many of these are coming out of a disgraced law firm,
Rothstein Adler -- Rothstein, Rosenfeldt & Adler.
At that law firm is a lawyer who started
there in April, May, 2009, called Brad Edwards. In
2009, allegedly the FBI gets a call in October of
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suit.
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trial. And there's a criminal complaint that the FBI
produced.
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that Brad Edwards became aware of the list, but --
we'll call it the list for the purposes of this.
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After Alfredo Rodriguez's two depositions that are
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held in Epstein's civil suit.
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It's in the FBI's affidavit that the
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belongs to Epstein, that contains a list of all of
his clients and victims, underage girls, massage
therapists, and his -- and the men who are having sex
with them. And he becomes -- he, Brad Edwards
becomes a cooperating witness -- cooperating
LEAH SAFFIAN: Confidential.
GHISLAINE MAXWELL: -- confidential
informant, sorry. Confidential informant for them.
And in a sting operation obtains the list
from a former butler of Epstein's called Alfredo
Rodriguez. And it becomes evidence in the civil
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In 2009, simultaneously whilst this was
going on, my boyfriend, Ted Waitt, was asked for
$10 million to keep me out of any of Epstein's civil
suits. Up until then, I had not been in any of
Epstein's civil suits. In fact, I wasn't even sure,
save for the first time I was mentioned was by
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I hadn't been -- I was basically nowhere.
And then Ted was called for this
$10 million and had been shown -- his people had been
shown evidence that included the list, the flight
logs and various other pieces of evidence.
Now, we're going to the prequel part of
this story, so then it can tie to how this starts.
In 2007, Epstein signs the non-prosecution
agreement. He then fights the prosecution agreement
or debates it through the DOJ or whatever happened
there, and is goes to the court in 2008, when it's
accepted or whatever that is.
Villafana was the lead prosecutor or the
lead -- yes, in that case. And she, I think, was not
happy or with the outcome and utilized, at that time,
Brad Edwards, to file the CVRA case.
Now, what is -- what I have managed to
understand from this is, within the OPR itself, there
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