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Case 1:20-cr-00330-AJN Document 166-2 Filed 02/24/22 Page 236 of 67
A-5654

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v
PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL.,
February 15, 2012

[Page 177]
C2frdau5 Conrad - direct
1 Q. Did you attempt to be reinstated to the practice of law
2 before February of 2011?
3 A. I submitted my reinstatement papers, which we have already
4 gone over, on February 28th, and they were signed on February
5 26th of 2011.
6 Q. Before that, though, you had tried to be reinstated a
7 couple of years earlier, right?
8 A. I was suspended indefinitely.
9 Q. You tried to be reinstated, saying that your alcoholism was
10 in remission, right?
11 A. The chronology of it is that you have to formally submit
12 the reinstatement documents, which happened on February 28,
13 2011. I did not submit any reinstatement documents before that
14 time.
15 Q. Let's go to this reinstatement petition, which is
16 Exhibit 21, which I believe is already in evidence. Can you
17 look at Exhibit 21. In particular I'd like you to look at
18 Exhibit 4 to that submission, which is a report from Dr. Warren
19 Seligman.
20 THE WITNESS: Judge, do I have to go through this in
21 open court?
22 THE COURT: Yes. I have ruled on that. I'm directing
23 you to answer. I overruled your counsel's application.
24 Q. Do you see Dr. Seligman's report?
25 A. Yes, sir.

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1 Q. You submitted this report as part of your petition for
2 reinstatement, correct?
3 A. Yes.
4 Q. Did you review the report before you submitted it?
5 A. Yes.
6 Q. Did you write the report or did he?
7 A. I think it was a combination of him and my attorney.
8 Q. Him and your attorney wrote the report?
9 A. Mm-hm.
10 Q. If you would look on the second page of Dr. Seligman's
11 report, it says near the bottom of the middle paragraph. "She
12 has taken the appropriate and effective actions to help
13 herself." Do you see that?
14 A. Which paragraph, sir?
15 Q. The middle paragraph, the third paragraph on the second
16 page.
17 A. Oh, yes.
18 Q. "She has taken the appropriate and effective actions to
19 help herself," correct?
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. Then it says, "She has been abstinent for over 2 1/2 years and
22 has been committed to her recovery plan."
23 A. Yes.
24 Q. Correct?
25 A. Yes.

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C2frdau5 Conrad - direct
1 Q. 2 1/2 years before February of 2011 would have been --
2 A. August 2009.
3 Q. No, that would have been August 2008. 2 1/2 years before
4 February of 2011?
5 A. Yes, you're correct.
6 Q. You were not abstinent from August 2008 on, were you,
7 ma'am?
8 A. No.
9 Q. In fact, you got kicked out of a treatment program in
10 August 2009 because you were drinking, correct?
11 A. It was either 2008 or 2009. I'm not specifically certain
12 on that.
13 Q. Let's see if we can help you on that. Exhibit Number 29,
14 if you would.
15 MR. GAIR: Your Honor, I move the admission of PMD
16 number 29, which is a multipage document relating to a case
17 called the People of the State of New York v. Catherine M.
18 Rosa?
19 THE COURT: Any objection?
20 MR. OKULA: No objection, your Honor.
21 THE COURT: PMD Exhibit 29 is received in evidence.
22 (Exhibit PMD 29 received in evidence)
23 Q. Do you sometimes go by the name of Catherine Rosa?
24 A. Socially.
25 Q. When you were arrested for petit larceny in 2009, did you

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1 give the name to the police Catherine Rosa?
2 A. Yes, sir.
3 Q. If you look at page 4, a number at the lower right-hand
4 corner of the document says 16-4. It's a report from the
5 Westchester Department of Community Mental Health. Do you see
6 that?
7 A. Yes.
8 Q. You were receiving treatment at the Maxwell Institute?
9 A. Yes. It was part of St. Vincent's, yes.
10 Q. Maxwell Institute reported in October of 2009 that you were
11 negatively discharged from the program in August 2009 due to
12 ongoing use of alcohol?
13 A. Yes, that's true.
14 Q. You were recommended for a higher level of care, correct?
15 A. That's what the report says.
16 Q. Were you recommended for a higher level of care?
17 A. No.
18 Q. You didn't get it, right, a higher level of care?
19 A. Clinically what do you mean?
20 Q. If you don't understand what I mean, I'll move on to
21 another question.
22 A. Thank you.
23 Q. You submitted a report from Dr. Seligman that was
24 inaccurate in that it said that you had been abstinent for 2 1/2
25 years when you had not been abstinent for 2 1/2 years?

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