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Summary
This document is a court transcript from August 10, 2022, for case 1:20-cr-00330-PAE. It captures a legal debate between attorneys Rohrbach and Sternheim before a judge regarding the admissibility of an insurance form containing a statement by a 'Mr. Roberts'. The discussion centers on whether the act of providing insurance and paying medical bills through Mar-a-Lago constitutes a course of conduct, and whether a witness can be questioned about practices that occurred before their time of involvement.
People (6)
| Name | Role | Context |
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| Mr. Roberts |
Mentioned as having made a statement on an insurance form.
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| Lieberman |
Referenced in the context of the 'Lieberman case'.
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| Rohrbach | Mr. |
Speaker in the transcript, likely an attorney, arguing a point to the court.
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| Ms. Gill |
A person Mr. Rohrbach intends to ask or have a conversation with, possibly a witness.
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| Sternheim | Ms. |
Speaker in the transcript, likely an attorney for the government, addressing the Judge.
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| Judge | Judge |
Presiding over the court proceedings, addressed by Ms. Sternheim. Also referred to as 'THE COURT'.
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Organizations (2)
| Name | Type | Context |
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| Mar-a-Lago | property |
Mentioned as the entity through which a person was insured.
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| SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. | company |
Listed at the bottom of the page as the court reporting service.
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Timeline (1 events)
2022-08-10
A legal argument took place in court regarding the case 1:20-cr-00330-PAE, focusing on evidence related to insurance and witness testimony.
Courtroom
THE COURT
MR. ROHRBACH
MS. STERNHEIM
Locations (1)
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Mentioned as the source of insurance for an individual.
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Relationships (3)
MR. ROHRBACH
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professional
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MS. STERNHEIM
They are opposing parties in a legal proceeding, addressing the court with their respective arguments.
THE COURT
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professional
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MR. ROHRBACH
Mr. Rohrbach addresses the court as 'your Honor' and presents legal arguments for the court's consideration.
THE COURT
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professional
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MS. STERNHEIM
Ms. Sternheim addresses the court as 'Judge' and presents the government's position in the legal proceeding.
Key Quotes (2)
"My point is, I think it's more than just sending the form and then obtaining insurance for someone because their name is on the form, but it's the course of conduct of paying bills for someone who then receives medical treatment because that person is insured through Mar-a-Lago."Source
— MR. ROHRBACH
(Arguing that the significance of the insurance process extends beyond the form itself to a pattern of behavior.)
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"Judge, the government would be asking this witness about a practice that preceded the time period in which she was there."Source
— MS. STERNHEIM
(Objecting to a line of questioning for a witness on the grounds that the witness lacks firsthand knowledge of the events in question.)
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Case 1:20-cr-00330-PAE Document 755 Filed 08/10/22 Page 17 of 262 1722
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1 insurance benefits to her, they have verified that information.
2 THE COURT: Well, it's a bit circular. I think the
3 question is, did they do anything to verify the information on
4 the form. The fact that they provided -- that they sent this
5 form and then insurance was provided based on the employee's
6 information, that's the out-of-court statement. It's
7 Mr. Roberts' statement on this form that you're seeking to
8 offer for the truth. So unless there is -- you'll look at the
9 Lieberman case. I think it's directly on point, as I said.
10 MR. ROHRBACH: I'm happy to look at the case and also
11 ask Ms. Gill, your Honor.
12 My point is, I think it's more than just sending the
13 form and then obtaining insurance for someone because their
14 name is on the form, but it's the course of conduct of paying
15 bills for someone who then receives medical treatment because
16 that person is insured through Mar-a-Lago.
17 THE COURT: Well, if she's got information on this
18 employee with respect to that or records, I suppose that's
19 another story.
20 MR. ROHRBACH: I think those records do exist, but
21 I'll just go have a conversation with Ms. Gill about this.
22 THE COURT: Ms. Sternheim.
23 MS. STERNHEIM: Judge, the government would be asking
24 this witness about a practice that preceded the time period in
25 which she was there. And the fact of the matter is, requesting
2 THE COURT: Well, it's a bit circular. I think the
3 question is, did they do anything to verify the information on
4 the form. The fact that they provided -- that they sent this
5 form and then insurance was provided based on the employee's
6 information, that's the out-of-court statement. It's
7 Mr. Roberts' statement on this form that you're seeking to
8 offer for the truth. So unless there is -- you'll look at the
9 Lieberman case. I think it's directly on point, as I said.
10 MR. ROHRBACH: I'm happy to look at the case and also
11 ask Ms. Gill, your Honor.
12 My point is, I think it's more than just sending the
13 form and then obtaining insurance for someone because their
14 name is on the form, but it's the course of conduct of paying
15 bills for someone who then receives medical treatment because
16 that person is insured through Mar-a-Lago.
17 THE COURT: Well, if she's got information on this
18 employee with respect to that or records, I suppose that's
19 another story.
20 MR. ROHRBACH: I think those records do exist, but
21 I'll just go have a conversation with Ms. Gill about this.
22 THE COURT: Ms. Sternheim.
23 MS. STERNHEIM: Judge, the government would be asking
24 this witness about a practice that preceded the time period in
25 which she was there. And the fact of the matter is, requesting
SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
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