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IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE! {). 7J,__ { FL( FIFTEENTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT I
IN AND FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY, FL\
CRIMINAL DIVISION I
STATE OF FLORIDA
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JEFFREY EPSTEIN
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CASE NO. 06 CF9454AMB
08 9381CFAMB
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PLEA CONFERENCE
PRESIDING: HONORABLE DEBORAH DALE
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BARRY E. KRISCHER, ESQUIRE
State Attorney
401 North Dixie Highway
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
By: LANNA BELOHLAVEK, ESQUIRE
Assistant State Attorney
ON BEHALF OF THE DEFENDANT:
ATTERBURY, GOLDBERGER & WEISS,P.A.
250 Australian Avenue South
Suite 1400
West Palm Beach, Florida 33401
By: JACK GOLDBERGER, ESQUIRE
June 30, 2008
Palm Beach County Courthouse
West Palm Beach, Florida-33401
Beginning at 8:40 o'clock, a.m.
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BE IT REMEMBERED that the following
proceedings were had in the above-entitled cause
3 before the HONORABLE DEBORAH DALE PUCILLO, one of
4 the judges of the aforesaid court, at the Palm
5 Beach County Courthouse, located in the City of
6 West Palm Beach, State of Florida on June 20, 2008
7 beginning at 8:40 o'clock, a.m. with appearances
8 as hereinbefore noted, to wit:
9 THEREUPON:
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MR. GOLDBERGER: Good morning, Judge,
Jack Goldberger on behalf of Jeffrey
Epstein.
THE COURT: Good morning.
MR. GOLDBERGER: Your Honor, we are
here for a plea conference.
THE COURT: Raise your right hand.
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19 after being called as a witness by the Defense and
20 after being first duly sworn by the Court, was
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THE DEFENDANT: Yes, ma'am.
THE COURT: Is this one case or two?
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Two.
THE COURT: May I see the PC
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affidavit in both cases, please?
MS. BELOHLAVEK: There are no PC
affidavits. There was originally an
Indictment, the second charge was filed
arising out of the booking. It was all
testimony presented to the grand jury.
THE COURT: Let me see the Indictment
then?
I have one Indictment, one
Information?
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Correct.
THE COURT: So one case is charged by
Indictment, one is ch~rged by Information?
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Correct.
THE COURT: In case 2006036744 you
are charged with procuring a person under
18 for prostitution, a second degree
felony, maximum penalty of fifteen years
Department of Corrections; minimum, some
period of probation. No mandatory minimum
apply, is that correct, State?
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Correct.
THE COURT: And in case number 06
9454CF, you are charged with felony
solicitation to prostitution, a third
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degree felony, punishable by a maximum
penalty of five years in the Department of
Corrections, and a minimum, probation. No
mandatory minimums, correct?
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Correct.
THE COURT: The defendant has no
prior criminal record?
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Correct.
MR. GOLDBERGER: Yes, Your Honor.
THE COURT: You checked the NCIC as
well as State records?
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Yes.
THE COURT: And the guideline score
sheet I have before me shows 21.5 months in
the Department of Corrections as the lowest
permissible prison sentence in months.
Both sides agree to the preparation of the
guideline score sheet?
MR. GOLDBERGER: We so agree, Your
Honor.
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Yes.
THE COURT: What is proposed -- it
goes on for pages.
MR. GOLDBERGER: Your Honor, much of
the documentation is acknowledgement by my
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client to community control, sex offender
status.
THE COURT: I understand.
Okay. What is proposed -- those
are the maximums and minimums, Mr. Epstein.
What is proposed is that you will be
pleading guilty to felony solicitation to
prostitution and procuring a person under
18 for prosecution. A PSI would be waived,
you would be adjudicated guilty of both
felonies, is that correct?
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Correct.
THE COURT: And on 06 9454, the
defendant to be sentenced to 12-months in
the Palm Beach County -- detention
facility? He's going to do time in the
jail?
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Yes.
THE COURT: With credit for one day
served. And on 08 9381, he is to be
sentenced to six months in the Palm Beach
County jail detention facility, with credit
for one day served. And the six month
sentence is to be served consecutive to the
12 month sentence?
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MS. BELOHLAVEK: Correct.
THE COURT: Following the six months
sentence, the defendant will be placed on
12-monthi of community control one. The
conditions of the community control are
attached hereto and incorporated herein.
As a special condition of
community control, he's to have no
unsupervised contact with minors and the
supervising adult must be approved -- and I
would say, pre-approved, approved ahead of
time, not after the fact by the Department
of Corrections. And you would mean by that
his community control officer?
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Correct.
THE COURT: The defendant is
designated as a sexual offender pursuant to
Florida Statute 943.0435 and must abide by
all the corresponding requirements of the
statute, a copy of which is attached hereto
and incorporated herein. The defendant
must provide a DNA sample in court at the
time of this plea. Is this the -- and the
attachments are the terms and conditions of
community control. There are some
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squiggles on the bottom of the page, what
would those squiggles be?
MR. GOLDBERGER: Thank you, Your
Honor, those are my client's signature
acknowledging that we have gone over all
the conditions.
THE COURT: One page after the plea
sheet that really spells out the terms and
conditions of community control, Florida
Statute 948.101, Mr. Epstein, is that
squiggle at the bottom your squiggle?
THE DEFENDANT: Yes, ma'am.
THE COURT: Would those be your
initials?
THE DEFENDANT: Yes, ma'am.
THE COURT: Did you read all of that.
page?
THE DEFENDANT: Yes, ma'am.
THE COURT: Can you read?
THE DEFENDANT: Yes, ma'am.
THE COURT: How far did you go in
school?
THE DEFENDANT: High school.
THE COURT: That's your highest
degree?
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THE DEFENDANT: Yes.
THE COURT: And is this your
signature on the plea sheet that recites
the terms of the plea I just read?
THE DEFENDANT: Yes, ma'am.
THE COURT: Did you read that
document as well?
THE DEFENDANT: Yes, ma'am.
THE COURT: You understand once you
do your 12 months followed by your six
months all in the Palm Beach County jail
you will then be put on community control
which involves having an electronic monitor
attached to you and --
MR. GOLDBERGER: Actually Your Honor,
the agreement of the parties is to, it's
community control one which is not monitor.
THE COURT: Oh, community control
one, is that spelled out in here?
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Yes.
MR. GOLDBERGER: Yes, it is, Your
Honor.
MS. BELOHLAVEK: He does not fall
under the Jessica Lunsford Act which
requires the bracelet.
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THE COURT: Community control two.
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Correct,
THE COURT: Community control one
that would be no electronic monitor?
MR. GOLDBERGER: That is correct.
THE COURT: Now which of the terms
and conditions of community control one are
you incorporating?
MR. GOLDBERGER: I can go through
them with Your Honor.
THE COURT: None of the them appear
to be articulated in the plea sheet which
is why I'm asking.
MR. GOLDBERGER: These are the
standard conditions of community control by
statute would apply to anyone that goes on
community control and out of an abundance
of caution, we simply memorialized those
standard conditions in the plea sheet
agreement.
THE COURT: The Court shall require
intensive supervision and surveillance for
an offender placed on community control
which may include but is not limited to
specified contact with the parole and
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probation officer, specified by who?
PROBATION OFFICER: Specified by you,
Your Honor.
THE COURT: I don't see that in the
plea sheet. That's why I'm asking the
questions. No one has specified how often,
how frequently he is to have contact with
his parole and probation officer.
Confinement to an agreed upon residence
during the hours away from employment and
public service activity, has that been
articulated?
MS. BELOHLAVEK: I believe
Judge Mcsorley has a standard order
somewhere on the bench up there regarding
this, I'm told by the prosecutor.
MS. LENHARDT: Judge, usually this is
the probation sheet she hands out to folks.
THE COURT: I have seen those
sheets -- I have seen them incorporated in
plea agreements which is why I'm asking.
MR. GOLDBERGER: I see.
THE COURT: Is there some reason you
didn't use this particular document in this
case?
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MS. BELOHLAVEK: I didn't realize
until Ms. Lenhardt just told me that Judge
Mcsorley has that.
MR. GOLDBERGER: We'd be happy to
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execute that document, Your Honor. we were
-- we overreacted by just having him sign
off on all conditions of community control.
THE COURT: Well, this is --
MR. GOLDBERGER: Perhaps the better
practice would be
THE COURT: This is, the reason
Judge Mcsorley does this which makes
ultimate sense is we're going to be here
half the morning if we're going ~o decide
among ourselves now what the --
MR. GOLDBERGER: That makes sense.
THE COURT: I'm not going to leave
this just unspecified.
MS. BELOHLAVEK: We can take care of
that right now if you could give us a few
minutes.
THE COURT: All right.
These are the standard conditions
that Judge Mcsorley normally uses. If you
like them, you need to circle the ones that
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apply and everyone must initial them. we
will go over it. If you wish to change
you understand there is quite a bit of
latitude given the court in putting
somebody on community control. If you
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agree to some change, let me know, but
understand at the outset that I'm a big fan
of specificity. I want to know what he
will be doing for employment. I want to
know exactly where. he is going to.be living
and I want it on the record now. rt. can
change but it can only change with
preapproval by DOC. I want it crystal
clear. I don't want the community control
officer who gets this case the day he walks
out the Palm Beach County to have any doubt
or confusion as to exactly what this
defendant is supposed to do, where he is
supposed to be when, exactly what I am
requesting that officer to supervise.
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Absolutely.
THE COURT: Okay.
MR. GOLDBERGER: We will work on it.
Thank you, Your Honor.
THE COURT: We will recall that case.
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MR. GOLDBERGER: Your Honor, we are
back on Jeffrey Epstein, actually it
worked, we had an opportunity to go through
Judge McSorley's conditions of community
control and we asked the Department of
Corrections representative to assist us to
make sure we did everything properly.
They were very helpful and we executed the
document.
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Yes, and Your Honor,
this defendant doesn't fall under the sex
offender probation but we have included
special sex offender conditions as part of
the community control and they are all
circled there.
THE COURT: The plea agreement stated
the defendant is designated as a sexual
offender pursuant to Florida Statute
942.035.
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Correct. But the
sex offender probation, the statute is
different and only applies to certain
offenses and this one was not enumerated.
THE COURT: Okay. I want to make
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sure both I and the defendant are clear.
The sexual offender statute you are
referring to in the plea sheet is the one
that requires registration?
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Correct.
MR. GOLDBERGER: Correct.
THE COURT: And we will talk about
that.
MR. GOLDBERGER: Okay.
THE COURT: But it is not the one
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that requires the special conditions of sex
offender probation?
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Correct .
THE COURT: Now, rather than 948, do
you want me to disregard 948? He's read
it?
MS. BELOHLAVEK: He's read it.
THE COURT: We will leave it in
there. But these conditions we are going
to go over right now are going to be viewed
in my mind, yes, and they have been signed
by the defendant and we will go over that
in a second as a part of the whole plea.
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Correct.
THE COURT: So circled are
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conditions, A, you will remain confined to
your residence except one half hour before
and after your approved employment,
community service work or any other
activity approved by your probation
officer.
B, you will maintain an hourly
accounting of all your activities on a
daily log which you will submit to your
supervising officer upon request.
My understanding about the daily
log, maybe I'm just confused from other
cases I've heard, is the daily log is a
weekly log, I guess it is submitted ahead
of time, is that correct?
PROBATION OFFICER: That is correct,
Your Honor.
THE COURT: So part A, where he has
to stay in his residence except for one
hour before and after the approved
employment, community service work and
other activity. All that's information
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that will be recorded in writing and the
defendant will have a copy and he will know
exactly where he is supposed to be when.
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PROBATION OFFICER: That is correct,
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THE COURT: As will his supervising
probation officer. And then to document
that he's supposedly done all that he
himself will be keeping a daily log?
PROBATION OFFICER: That is correct,
Your Honor.
THE COURT: And the log form will be
provided by the department and he will be
turning that in every time he meets with
the probation officer?
PROBATION OFFICER: That is correct,
Your Honor.
THE COURT: Okay. So that applies
and F applies. Does E apply? No.
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Did I circle E?
THE COURT: No. F -- made one up,
the defendant will be residing at 358 El
Brillo Way, Palm Beach, Florida, 33480.
knows now that that's where he will be
living when he is released after his 12
months and six months.
He
MR. GOLDBERGER: That is correct,
Your Honor.
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THE COURT: That's a private
residence?
MR. GOLDBERGER: That is his home.
THE COURT: Does he own th~
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MR. GOLDBERGER: He does, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Is there any possibility
that he no longer owns the residence?
MR. GOLDBERGER: Not anticipated,
Your Honor.
THE COURT: Okay.
for whatever reason
Should he not be
18-months is a long
time, should he not be owning that
residence or able to reside there, he will
have the obligation of notifying his
probation officer prior, and I emphasize
this, prior to his release from custody. I
assume that the department will be notified
prior to, to his release?
PROBATION OFFICER: That is correct,
Your Honor.
THE COURT: And then you would need
to send someone to meet with him before he
walks out of the Palm Beach County jail and
verify his address and employment
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information?
PROBATION OFFICER: That is correct.
THE COURT: All address -- I assume
all of this to and from work and any other
approved activities restricts him to Palm
Beach County, is that correct?
PROBATION OFFICER: That is correct,
Your Honor.
THE COURT: So let's be clear,
everything, from the day he walks out
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occurs in Palm Beach County, is that clear?
MR. GOLDBERGER: We understand, Your
Honor. That's correct.
THE COURT: Then the additional
condition of his probation, they are not
sex offender standard conditions, they are
just conditions that are being imposed
especially in this case?
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Correct.
THE COURT: They are as follows, you
shall submit to a mandatory curfew from 10
p.m. to 6:00 a.m. regardless of any other
restrictions regarding work or approved
activity, there will be no exceptions to
being at home in house from 10 p.m. to 6
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MS. BELOHLAVEK: Yes.
THE COURT: If the victim was under
age of 18 years which I gather is the case
because it's circled, you shall not live
within 1000 feet of a school, day care
center, park, playground or other place
where children regularly congregate.
Has someone verified that 358 El
Brillo is such a place?
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MS. BELOHLAVEK: No, but that will be
done prior to his release.
THE COURT: So 358 El Brillo will not
be approved if it should happen to be one
thousand feet from a school, day care
center, park, playground or other place
this is rather open.
MR. GOLDBERGER:
gather.
Where children
THE COURT: Where children regularly
congregate.
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Right.
THE COURT: The Court knows 358 El
Brillo Way is a residential neighborhood,
are there areas there where children
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regularly congregate?
MS. BELOHLAVEK: I personally do not
know.
THE COURT: Neither do I, which is
why I'm asking. Has that been
investigated?
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MR. GOLDBERGER: We have done our due
diligence, for what it•s worth, there is a
residential street. There are not children
congregating on that street. We think the
address applies, if it doesn't, we fully
recognize that he can't live there.
THE COURT: Okay. D is, you shall
not have any contact with the victim, are
there more than one victim?
MS. BELOHLAVEK: There's several.
THE COURT: several, all of the
victims. So this should be plural. I'm
making that plural. You are not to have
any contact direct or indirect, and in this
day and age I find it necessary to go over
exactly what we mean by indirect. By
indirect, we mean no text messages, no
e-mail, no Face Book, no My Space, no
telephone calls, no voice mails, no
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messages through carrier pigeon, no
messages through third parties, no hey
would you tell so and so for me, no having
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a friend, acquaintance or stranger approach
any of these victims with a message of any
sort from you, is that clear?
THE DEFENDANT: Yes, ma'am
THE COURT: And then it states,
unless approved by the victim, the
therapist and the sentencing court.
THE DEFENDANT: I understand.
Okay.
THE COURT: And the sentencing court.
So, if there is a desire which, I would
think would baa bit strange to have
contact with any of the victims the court
must approve it.
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Correct.
THE COURT: If the victim was under
the age of 18, which was the case, you
shall not until you have successfully
attended and completed the sex offender
program. So, is this sex offender program
becoming a condition of probation?
MS. BELOHLAVEK: That is not. I
don't believe I circled that one.
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THE COURT: You did.
MR. GOLDBERGER: That's a mistake on
our part. Actually the statute that he is
pleading guilty to does not require the
THE COURT: I understand that, but
you circled it.
MS. BELOHLAVEK: I apologize, that
one is not. He has already been in
treatment with a private psychiatrist.
THE COURT: Which you find to be an
adequate substitute for sex offender
program?
MS. BELOHLAVEK: I - - it is not
required and based upon the evaluation and
my contact with that doctor, I don't
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THE COURT: Has that been -- I assume
you have a law degree and do not have a
Ph.Din a psychology or MD in psychiatry?
MS. BELOHLAVEK: That is correct, I
don't.
THE COURT: So it is just your
judgement
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Correct.
THE COURT: -- that his treatment
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psychologist in his case is okay?
MS. BELOHLAVEK: That is correct.
THE COURT: So you are not imposing
E?
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Correct.
THE COURT: F, if the victim was
under the age of 18, you shall not work or
play or as a volunteer in any school, day
care center, park, play ground or other
place where children regularly congregate,
is that understood?
THE DEFENDANT: Yes, ma'am.
THE COURT: Children will be defined
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as anyone under the age of 18. There are a
lot of places where children regularly
congregate. What kind of work do you do?
THE DEFENDANT: Banking.
THE COURT: Here in Palm Beach
County?
THE DEFENDANT: Virgin Islands,
ma'am.
THE COURT: You understand you will
not travel from Palm Beach County for the
duration of this?
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THE DEFENDANT: Yes, ma'am.
MR. GOLDBERGER: Your Honor, I'm
sorry to interrupt, we do cover the
employment later in the agreement as to
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year that he is on community control.
THE COURT: Okay. And let me --
condition G, which is circled, unless
otherwise indicated in the treatment plan
provided by sexual offender treatment
program.
MR. GOLDBERGER: That's not in there.
THE COURT: Is that what you want?
MS. BELOHLAVEK: No.
THE COURT: But you do want the, you
will not view, own or possess any obscene
pornographic --
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Correct.
THE COURT: Okay. But are you saying
that this therapist can okay him to own
certain pornographic material?
MS. BELOHLAVEK: No, not at all.
MR. GOLDBERGER: No, Your Honor.
THE COURT: Would be really helpful
if people read these things before they
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signed them thoroughly.
Unless otherwise indicated in the
treatment plan. I'm just going to strike
out, provided by the sexual offender
treatment program. Is that what you
intend, that his therapist can --
MS. BELOHLAVEK:
THE COURT: No?
MS. BELOHLAVEK:
No.
No.
THE COURT: Unless otherwise
indicated.
MR. GOLDBERGER: The parties have
agreed that during the period that he is
cannot be
THE COURT: Condition G will now
read, you shall not view, own, possess any
obscene, pornographic or sexually
stimulating visual or auditory material
including telephonic, electronic media,
computer program or computer services that
are relevant to your deviant behavior
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MS. BELOHLAVEK: The community
control officer.
THE COURT: How?
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MS. BELOHLAVEK: They have the
obligation and included in there for
warrantless search to check at any time his
home, his computer, anything he has contact
with.
THE COURT: And do they regularly do
that?
PROBATION OFFICER: Yes, ma'am.
THE COURT: Since we have the
pleasure of having someone from the
Department of Corrections here.
Okay. H, you shall submit two
specimens of blood to the Florida
Department of Law Enforcement to be
registered in the DNA data bank.
J, you shall submit to a
warrantless search by your probation
officer or community control officer of
your person, residence or vehicle.
G -- where is the G?
MS. BELOHLAVEK: That was under the
original part, not under the sex offender
one.
THE COURT: Okay. Defendant to have
contact with the community control officer
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at a minimum one time a week.
Defendant to work at Florida
Science Foundation, 250 Australian Avenue,
West Palm Beach, Florida. Is that
volunteer work or work for pay?
MR. GOLDBERGER: It is a 501C
corporation that he has formed, Your Honor,
that will be doing charitable work.
THE COURT: That he has formed?
MR. GOLDBERGER: Yes.
THE COURT: What exactly is Florida
Science Foundation?
MR. GOLDBERGER: Do you want to
explain?
THE DEFENDANT: It funds science
programs around the state and the country.
THE COURT: How long has it been in
existence?
THE DEFENDANT: Fifteen years.
THE COURT: How many programs has it
funded?
THE DEFENDANT: Numerous, more than
50.
THE COURT: What is your position
with the organization?
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THE DEFENDANT: President.
THE COURT: Is there a board of
directors?
THE DEFENDANT: Yes, ma'am.
THE COURT: Who's on the board of
directors?
THE DEFENDANT: Two attorneys.
THE COURT: What exactly do you do?
THE DEFENDANT:
banker but my --
I'm an investment
THE COURT: No, no, I mean with the
science foundation.
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THE COURT: I don't want to know what
we do, I want to know what you do. How
often are you there?
THE DEFENDANT.: I'm there every day,
I research, I take in people who want to
make presentations about why they need
money for funding medical research,
advanced science research. My background
is in physics. I go through all the
programs in detail, review the science work
potentials, I follow through on a daily
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to do.
THE COURT: Who are some recent
grantees?
THE DEFENDANT: Harvard University.
There is a full program of Evolutionary
Dynamics, Neuro Science Institute of
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THE COURT: Do you ever have occasion
to deal with anyone under the age of
eighteen?
THE DEFENDANT: Not very often.
is, if someone is in college -- sorry.
THE COURT: Right, that's why I'm
asking the question.
It
THE DEFENDANT: Most of the people I
fund are all usually professors.
THE COURT: Thank you. You
understand that you can't have contact with
anyone if this organization, do they
ever have any involvement with high
schools?
THE DEFENDANT: No, ma'am.
THE COURT: Students or teachers?
THE DEFENDANT: No, ma'am.
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THE COURT: Okay.
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Those are
duplicates, you will see those are the same
as the ones on the previous page, however,
it was reproduced.
THE COURT: The next condition, you
shall maintain a driving log. You shall
not drive a motor vehicle while alone
without prior approval of your supervising
officer.
If there was sexual contact, you
shall submit to at probationer's or
community controllee•s expense an HIV test
with results to be released to the victims,
victim's parent or guardian -- will be
victims, plural. Has that been done?
MR. GOLDBERGER: Not yet.
THE COURT: Do we have a time frame
on that? I would think.ASAP might be good
on something like that.
MS. BELOHLAVEK: I believe they can
actually do that at the jail.
THE COURT: At his expense?
MS. BELOHLAVEK: Yes.
THE COURT: I would request that that
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